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God is perfect in his sight. Must we agree with him?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
If you wouldn't let a human being do something, why do you defend God when he does the same thing?

If Donald Trump has billions of dollars, and a starving child shows up wanting some food, and Trump doesn't even give them a meal, what would that make Trump?

Yet our Father in Heaven sees his children starving and dying of HIV and all kinds of other disorders and he doesn't help them. Why is it okay for God to live in his Mansions of gold (or with all the riches we could possibly imagine), and refuse to feed the starving?

If a father has the ability to restrain a roaring lion, and he lets the lion roam around devouring his children, and in fact created the lion in the first place, how is that a noble father or good parenting? We would all agree that is terrible if the same behavior came from a human.

If a father watches his children get raped and molested every single day, and refuses to lift a finger to help, how is that father acceptable or not completely detestable?

If a father commits genocide and kills women, children, and babies, how is that ever acceptable? Yet, if God does the same thing, it's something you defend?

You see the double standards, hypocrisy, and irrational thought behind all of that?

God is without error in his own sight, yet it's almost never that we would approve of such behavior from politicians. Christians (and muslims) almost never object to his deplorable behavior. Why is that?

If God says he's justified in being the greatest serial killer, bigot, and cruel dictator, does that mean human beings should accept that his ways are perfect?

Have you ever given birth to a child? You do realize that your labor pains were actually given by God (and scripture says so).

But that is totally acceptable right?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
well.....God gave Man dominion.....

as for the serious intervention.....the flood and other incidents.....
Someone had to put a stop to the decline

maybe it's our turn to take matters into our own hands

maybe He's just waiting to see how bad it gets
before we learn to clean our own mess
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
well.....God gave Man dominion.....

as for the serious intervention.....the flood and other incidents.....
Someone had to put a stop to the decline

maybe it's our turn to take matters into our own hands

maybe He's just waiting to see how bad it gets
before we learn to clean our own mess
people can technically use the word of God to justify carpet bombing cities or dropping the atomic bomb. I mean, God did destroy cities with fire and brimstone. He annihilated cities in other ways as well.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
considering that God and heaven stood back as the Carpenter suffered a brutal execution......

maybe the line drawn by heaven is not what most people think
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
The suffering of innocent lives does prove there is no such thing as an omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient theistic deity. An omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient theistic deity logically can't exist within the realm of human children suffering. Right?

Since the existence of an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient theistic deity has been logically eliminated by my impeccable logic, then it logically follows, the actual purpose of human existence isn't to please any such theistic deity. The purpose of human existence to me seems to be humanity's self preservation and the interstellar propagation of our genetic code.

Extraterrestrial intelligence has indeed left its mark in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s)with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.



Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

I concur with Elon Musk that we must become an interplanetary species and improve the odds of survival for our species. Space is the final frontier, where we can seek out new lives and new civilizations, there we can boldly go where no man has gone before.
 
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InChrist

Free4ever
Yet our Father in Heaven sees his children starving and dying of HIV and all kinds of other disorders and he doesn't help them. Why is it okay for God to live in his Mansions of gold (or with all the riches we could possibly imagine), and refuse to feed the starving?
God is love and love must be freely chosen. God has given humanity the choice of choosing His agape love or their (and satan's) self-centeredness. This world's conditions blatantly show the rejection of God's love resulting in the sin and suffering everywhere. Yet, God offers eternal life, "mansions", and perfect love to all who desire freedom and something better.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The suffering of innocent lives does prove there is no such thing as an omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient theistic deity. An omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient theistic deity logically can't exist within the realm of human children suffering. Right?

Since the existence of an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient theistic deity has been logically eliminated by my impeccable logic, then it logically follows, the actual purpose of human existence isn't to please any such theistic deity. The purpose of human existence to me seems to be humanity's self preservation and the interstellar propagation of our genetic code.

Extraterrestrial intelligence has indeed left its mark in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s)with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.



Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

I concur with Elon Musk that we must become an interplanetary species and improve the odds of survival for our species. Space is the final frontier, where we can seek out new lives and new civilizations, there we can boldly go where no man has gone before.
May I ask what the deeper explanation and meaning behind the number 3 is?

Jesus died at age 33, and I had a bad drug trip and stabbed a man on 0303. I see threes all the time. The Trinity is three persons as well.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
May I ask what the deeper explanation and meaning behind the number 3 is?

Jesus died at age 33, and I had a bad drug trip and stabbed a man on 0303. I see threes all the time. The Trinity is three persons as well.

Our genetic code's blessed and sacred message of 037 shouldn't get corrupted by Christianity.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.

The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure.

Reference: Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209
"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662


"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
If you wouldn't let a human being do something, why do you defend God when he does the same thing?

If Donald Trump has billions of dollars, and a starving child shows up wanting some food, and Trump doesn't even give them a meal, what would that make Trump?

Yet our Father in Heaven sees his children starving and dying of HIV and all kinds of other disorders and he doesn't help them. Why is it okay for God to live in his Mansions of gold (or with all the riches we could possibly imagine), and refuse to feed the starving?

If a father has the ability to restrain a roaring lion, and he lets the lion roam around devouring his children, and in fact created the lion in the first place, how is that a noble father or good parenting? We would all agree that is terrible if the same behavior came from a human.

If a father watches his children get raped and molested every single day, and refuses to lift a finger to help, how is that father acceptable or not completely detestable?

If a father commits genocide and kills women, children, and babies, how is that ever acceptable? Yet, if God does the same thing, it's something you defend?

You see the double standards, hypocrisy, and irrational thought behind all of that?

God is without error in his own sight, yet it's almost never that we would approve of such behavior from politicians. Christians (and muslims) almost never object to his deplorable behavior. Why is that?

If God says he's justified in being the greatest serial killer, bigot, and cruel dictator, does that mean human beings should accept that his ways are perfect?

Have you ever given birth to a child? You do realize that your labor pains were actually given by God (and scripture says so).

But that is totally acceptable right?


God sees the end from the beginning and always makes the best choice
I don't know what will happen in the next minute and decide things very imperfectly
and so... I would not hold God to the same standards as myself

Isaiah 55:9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
I was just reading that Richard Nixon was the 37th President of the United States

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Who was the U.S. President in 73'? :D
 

InChrist

Free4ever
May I ask what the deeper explanation and meaning behind the number 3 is?

Jesus died at age 33, and I had a bad drug trip and stabbed a man on 0303. I see threes all the time. The Trinity is three persons as well.
I don't believe in numerology, but I think 3 is significant because the Godhead of three in one reveals God's plurality and yet a singularity, unity with diversity. I believe God has placed His fingerprints upon creation showing His triune nature. The universe is made up of space, matter and time. Those three things are made up of three things.Space is made up of length, breadth, and height, each one is separate and distinct, but each one is a whole. Time is made up of three: past, present and future and this is interesting because one is visible, the other two are invisible. Just as the Son became visible, but the Father and the Holy Spirit are invisible. Human beings are in the image of God and made of body, soul and spirit.

Three has been my favorite number ever since I can remember, not that that means anything.
I just like the number 3.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
If you wouldn't let a human being do something, why do you defend God when he does the same thing?
*breaks out the guitar*

Gaia, don't let your gods
Grow up
To be jerkwads.

If Donald Trump has billions of dollars, and a starving child shows up wanting some food, and Trump doesn't even give them a meal, what would that make Trump?
This is a bit too realistic of a scenario. This is a guy who thinks paper towels will fix hurricane damage. He is literally the kind of guy Jesus warns about, asking who would give a starving kid a rock.

Yet our Father in Heaven sees his children starving and dying of HIV and all kinds of other disorders and he doesn't help them.
I've come to the conclusion that polytheism makes more sense and the problem is that we're sending our work orders to the wrong department.

Depending on the storyteller, Yahweh was a sea or storm or war god. None of that fixes "starving kid".

Why is it okay for God to live in his Mansions of gold (or with all the riches we could possibly imagine), and refuse to feed the starving?
Might have something to do with the clergy, who want funding "for God", but God doesn't use money.

If a father watches his children get raped and molested every single day, and refuses to lift a finger to help, how is that father acceptable or not completely detestable?
My maternal grandfather owned actual guns, but didn't use them against my abusive father or my abusive uncle, even though the lives of my mother and aunt (and us and our cousin) were in danger.

I grew up believing my grandfather loved us, but my brother's right: a real man would've saved his kids/grandkids.

Yet, if God does the same thing, it's something you defend?
I've noticed, for the most part, that God tends to be what a person feels is ideal. They know they'll go to prison for that kind of stuff, so they just admire God, who they imagine does all that stuff. The bible is their violence porn.

You see the double standards, hypocrisy, and irrational thought behind all of that?
Nope, because deep down, they WANT to do all that stuff themselves.

I just saw an article on yahoo or FB or something where a guy tried to argue his neo-Nazi crap wasn't illegal because Trump is getting away with saying or doing the same things.

See, when I see a bad leader, I think of them as a bad leader. Other people get all starry-eyed and wonder if they can join in the "frivolity".

God is without error in his own sight, yet it's almost never that we would approve of such behavior from politicians. Christians (and muslims) almost never object to his deplorable behavior. Why is that?
They feel it gives them validation to think or act in a villainous way.

well.....God gave Man dominion.....
That's like giving a toddler the keys to Fort Knox.

How do you know God doesn't want America to annihilate North Korea?
Even if He does, it's a dumb idea. Russia, China, and Japan need to deal with that country, not us. It is not strategically wise, and that's if we were being led by someone who has a brain.

I concur with Elon Musk that we must become an interplanetary species and improve the odds of survival for our species.
Yes. Let's screw up all the other planets, not just this one :p

God is love and love must be freely chosen. God has given humanity the choice of choosing His agape love or their (and satan's) self-centeredness.
If God wants to think all of reality is about Him, which one is the self-centered one?

This world's conditions blatantly show the rejection of God's love resulting in the sin and suffering everywhere.
God had a chosen people running a theocracy the size of a postage stamp and they couldn't handle THAT.

Yet, God offers eternal life, "mansions", and perfect love to all who desire freedom and something better.
Which is after you die, which is after you actually needed "something better".
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
God gave humans a brain.....God gave us the ability to learn from suffering. Suffering has caused us to develop medicines to alleviate some suffering. Suffering has also caused us to develop facilities to mitigate suffering. Suffering has also caused us to develop moral actions that circumvent suffering. God has given life forms the ability to mitigate their own demise..funny people don't realize that.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
God gave humans a brain.....God gave us the ability to learn from suffering. Suffering has caused us to develop medicines to alleviate some suffering. Suffering has also caused us to develop facilities to mitigate suffering. Suffering has also caused us to develop moral actions that circumvent suffering. God has given life forms the ability to mitigate their own demise..funny people don't realize that.
Mitigate our demise? You and i will die bro! We will also suffer much.

If modern medicine or nutrition keeps us alive too long, we just might find ourselves urinating and defecating our depends in a nursing home.

Then we both might regret having taken such good care to not to let nature take its course earlier.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Mitigate our demise? You and i will die bro! We will also suffer much

You suffer, I don’t. My demise will not be known to you nor will yours be known to me.

If modern medicine or nutrition keeps us alive too long, we just might find ourselves urinating and defecating our depends in a nursing home.

Then we both might regret having taken such good care to not to let nature ta.

You’re not understanding my point. The point is God gave us an ability to save ourselves if we choose to. Collectively we have an ability to save humanity from known diseases but we tend to value money over human life.

You have a grim outlook, I try not to because even if our life is prolonged, it doesn’t mean we will be old and decrepit or incapacitated. Some people live their days being old and eventually die. We all will die sure but that’s not the question. Human suffering allows human kind to learn and in turn we can fix our problems accordingly.
 
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