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Featured "God exist" Vs. "I believe God exist" Vs. "I believe in God"

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Jeremiahcp, Apr 8, 2017.

  1. davidroemer

    davidroemer New Member

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    There is an argument for God's existence. Theists say the argument is good and makes sense. Atheists say the argument has no content and is contradictory. Agnostics say they don't know. The first two statements are true and agnostics are being reasonable. This means anyone who describes themselves as a theist, atheist, or agnostic don't know or understand the argument.
     
  2. dragonflydreamsONE

    dragonflydreamsONE New Member

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    I AM All, I AM One, I AM You, I AM This, I AM That - I AM
    vs I AM God...

    when the sense of separation and distinction is absent, you have become love - God is love...
     
  3. Robert Landbeck

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    The first would be a statement of fact if PROOF existed, the second and third are just a statements of faith sharing the same presumption.
     
  4. viole

    viole Ontological Naturalist
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    Yes. For instance, God could claim the first, while He would sound a bit silly to claim the latters.

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  5. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Nope. They all have God in them.
     
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  6. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    Only the former is stated, though.
     
  7. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    Actually, the first would be a statement of fact if it was the case, regardless of what people think of it ("proof").
     
  8. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    They're essentially all saying the same thing. The differences are generally contextual and rhetorical.

    "I believe god exists" and "I believe in god," are basically the same statement, and their usage could often be explained simply by usage trends, but I suspect that there is probably, more generally, an implication of trust (faith) when someone says "I believe in god."

    "God exists," is probably most often used as a rhetorical tool to try to limit and control the conversation by expressing a belief as an absolute fact. This, of course, only works with people who already share your belief, and comes off as silly and obstinate to people who don't.
     
  9. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

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    Sorry, but I don't follow.

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  10. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Priest of his own Order

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    I do.

    "God exists" implies, "I am 100% certain that there is a God. It's a fact."

    "I believe God exists" implies, "I think God exists, but I'm not 100% certain. I could be wrong."

    "I believe in God" implies, "God exists, and I believe that God will do whatever it is a God does."
     
  11. Ben Avraham

    Ben Avraham Well-Known Member

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    You surely must believe by faith. If you ask me, that's not enough. That's the same as to say, "I am not sure if God exists but, that's how I believe." Again, if you ask me, I don't need faith to believe that God exists. I know it! We are all aware, religious or not, that the Universe exists, that it has an age, therefore a beginning, and that it could not have caused itself to exist. Since it exists, something or someone that preceded it must have caused it to exist. Who could it have been if not the Primal Cause? I am open to questions if any one dares to take the discussion from here. All are welcome, atheists or not.
     
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