joeboonda said:
As I said before.
1st statement:
joeboonda said:
Jesus said whoever comes to Him, He will in no wise cast out, that whosoever will may be saved by having trusted in Him for salvation.
Dumb.
2nd statement:
joeboonda said:
He also warned that those who do not trust in Him are already condemned.
Double-dumb.
3rd statement:
joeboonda said:
We are all under this death sentence until we lay our sins upon Jesus.
Dumb.
This is the Bible Truth, I will not water it down.
Sorry for me being so blunt. Since you won't water it down. Nor would I.
Let's look at the 1st statement.
I know this may sounds dumb, but how do you "come to" Jesus, who is not around, and it is never around.
For me, I don't trust just because some writings say so. Or prophet (or messiah) say that.
Faith without proof is absolutely meaningless to me.
Which leads lead to the 2nd point.
Trusting and believing is the easy part. Anyone can do so. And that includes all the wicked people you spoke of, earlier:
joeboonda said:
Look at the evils comitted by people every day around the world, physical and sexual abuse, torture, unjust imprisonment, murder, rape, child molesting and traficking, etc.
Even worse is that many of the believers, thus Christians, have committed those all those crimes. They believe in Christ, and yet they those do things.
Do these Christian people get "saved" simply because they have the faith, even though they committed those crimes?
So I ask you. A person who don't commit any of these offence and violence, but who don't believe or trust in Jesus, will be condemned to hell for ever-lasting torments.
Where is fairness or justice in that?
The Christian dogma is illogical. That's why I call these statements as being dumb, not because I want to be offensive, but because they are rather illogical. Your (Christian) idea of "evil" is illogic.
If a God like yours can condemn good non-believing people to eternal damnation, but save these murderers, rapists, other evil people simply because they "trust" and "believe" in God and Jesus, then I must say that your God, Jesus and all the Christian teachings to be illogical, brutal, and if I must say so -
EVIL.
Condemning a person simply on trust, instead of deeds they have done is horrendous injustice.
If a person is condemned on lack of faith, then your Christian teachings is not about love, forgiveness and compassion.
As to the 3rd statement.
Well, that's one of the problem and terrible flaws many Christians have. Instead of taking responsible for their sins, they throw on Jesus' feet. Often they will keeping committing the same sins, simply because they have this forgiveness and absolution.
I find this sort of teaching just as illogical, and thus dumb.
It is probably why you so many Christians in prisons, because their so-called belief give him them "set free cards" (like in the monopoly game) where they think they will go to heaven, regardless of what crimes or sins they have committed on earth, simply because "they are Christians".
