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God: Do You KNOW Him or Do You BELIEVE in Him?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Jun 10, 2018.

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  1. I believe in God.

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  2. I know God.

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  3. I know God because I believe in Him.

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  4. I believe in God because I know HIm.

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  5. I believe in AND know God.

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  6. SalixIncendium has awesome fashion sense.

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  1. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Veteran Member
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    What is the difference between knowing God and believing in God?

    Does the former require an experience in which you have actually encountered God and the latter having not experience but only having faith in His existence based on what you've read or have been told?

    What does it take to know God?

    If you know God, is faith and belief no longer a requirement? Please explain why or why not.

    For those of you who claim to know God, please elaborate on how you know Him.




    Disclaimer: The intent of this thread is not to ask someone to present evidence of God. While someone may claim to have knowledge of God, I would ask that you please do not ask them to present to you evidence of this knowledge. I posted this in a debate venue to encourage friendly debate, but harassment in the form of goading someone to present evidence of God will not be tolerated, as there are other threads in RF currently discussing this.
     
  2. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    My answer wasn't on the list:

    > I am God and am increasingly realizing that

    I am of the Hindu/Advaita/pantheist school of thought that God separates Himself from Himself and returns Himself to Himself. It is a play/drama of God/Brahman.

    You state your religion as nondualism but you didn't give us a strong nondual answer. I understand nondual to mean God and us/creation are not-two.

    Although I almost went with:

    > SalixIncendium has awesome fashion sense.
     
  3. SalixIncendium

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    But are you sure about that...?
    Do you know yourself? :)

    That would have been the answer I would have run with.
     
  4. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    More and more everyday until Moksha = Liberation from the sense of separateness (which may not happen fully in this lifetime).
     
  5. paarsurrey

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    I know G-d from His attributes mentioned in Quran and these exist or are manifested in the Universe as Absolutes. Right, please?
    Should I quote them here from Quran with the verses in the context for correct understanding of them.
    Regards
     
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  6. Trailblazer

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    I know God exists because I believe that Baha'u'llah was a Manifestation of God.
    I know the Attributes of God as manifested by Baha'u'llah in His Person and revealed in His Writings.
    I know the Will of God as revealed by Baha'u'llah, whose Will is identical with the Will of God.
    I do not know the Essence of God and I do not believe anyone can ever know the Essence of God, except God. Not even the Manifestations of God can know the Essence of God.

    I believe God exists with absolute certitude so in that sense I know God exists without objective proof. For me personally, objective proof would negate the existence of God. I would never want to see God.

    I do not believe that anyone ever encounters God or hears from God or that God lives inside of people.
    I believe that God communicates only with Manifestations of God through the Holy Spirit but they do not encounter God directly, they just hear His Voice in some way that the rest of us are incapable of comprehending.
     
  7. Trailblazer

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    I would be happy to hear them. :)
     
  8. 1robin

    1robin Christian/Baptist

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    Christianity supplies us with the most emphatic answer to your questions, other religions not so much. The bible states exactly how we can know and believe in God. Are you interested in discussing the answers to your questions? If so I will open up with a few scriptures.

    Knowing Christ Personally

    Philippians 3:10
    That I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;

    John 17:3
    "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.



    Philippians 3:8
    More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,


    1 John 5:20
    And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ This is the true God and eternal life.

    2 Peter 3:18
    but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

    1 John 2:3
    By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

    John 10:14
    "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,

    Ephesians 4:13
    until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

    2 Peter 1:2
    Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord;

    2 Peter 1:8
    For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    2 Peter 2:20
    For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

    Luke 22:34
    And He said, "I say to you, Peter, the rooster will not crow today until you have denied three times that you know Me."
    13 Bible verses about Knowing Christ Personally
     
  9. Shushersbedamned

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    I'm confused the option "I know god" got so much space. It's like someone saying "i know myself" - well I'm sure they may think so but I'm also sure they're wrong.
     
  10. savagewind

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    I can't guess right on the first five choices, but I shall take a guess about the poster's fashion sense. Am I right?
     
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