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God Created us, Male and Female - Marriage is Between a Man and a Woman

HeatherAnn

Active Member
We could site many scientific studies & point to scriptures that support that God (or Creation) created us male and female to be partners, not 2 men, not 2 women.
Moreover, our very existence, as well as that of billions of other human beings prove this.
We could study anatomy to determine what parts fit & which parts don't, but we each have bodies & many of us have first hand proof of this.

The proof is in the pudding!
Trying to change reality by denying it is useless & even harmful, when forcing society to legally accept sexual deviations that prove to be harmful.
Even in 2 healthy males, anal sex involves risks of anal fissures, bacterial infections, anal cancer & colon rupture.
No wonder that the US CDC statistics show that those with homosexual preferences switch partners so often (they can't find the right fit) & in so doing, they contract & spread AIDS & STDs at a much higher percentage than heterosexuals do.

God/Creation intended men and women to procreate & for offspring to be cared for by both parents. Legally redefining marriage to be between 2 men or 2 women is denying children of the right to a mother or father. Research & thousands of years of history show that children need a mother & father to thrive best & need both to model how the opposite sex relates to one another.

Many argue that it's their "right" to love whoever they want.
Fine! I have no problem with that - except when they legally require society to honor that & harm children in the process.

Children have the right to not be taught homosexuality in school. Yet, in places where gay marriage has been enacted, these rights have been infringed upon. Here are a few examples where those with homosexual preferences have pushed their assumed rights, which infringed on the rights of others...
*Freshmen were told not to tell their parents about a pro-gay seminar & were required to sign a confidentiality agreement (Derrfield, Illinois Mar. 2007).
*In March, 2007, a Massachusetts high school banned parents from attending a seminar for students on how they can know they are homosexual.
*In October, 2008, First graders (6 year-old students) were taken on a field trip to watch their lesbian teacher's wedding.
*In Oct 2008, a Hayward CA public elementary school celebrated "Coming Out Day."

Normalizing & even encouraging children to explore homosexuality obviously causes more to experiment with homosexuality.
"The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexuality Education in Schools... This report is part of an integrated strategy to inform and educate parents, students and school officials across the nation of its contents and of their respective rights and duties. It has documented the concern that the health of students in many schools across the country may have been compromised and their First Amendment rights may have been denied."
http://www.afamichigan.org/images/Legal ... 200504.pdf

Also, others' rights have been infringed upon in favor of supporting gay rights.
*In April 2008, an Albuquerque photographer was fined over $6,000 for refusing to be hired to photograph a lesbian couple's commitment ceremony.
*In May, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the U of Toledo, Ohio, for writing an editorial objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.
*An intolerant opponent of Proposition 8 even violently attacked & injured a Proposition supporter in Oct. 2008.
*On November 19, 2008, eHarmony, a Christian-based matching service was forced by New Jersey's Division on Civil Rights to provide website matching services for homosexuals.


Same-sex couples already have rights under common law marriage & cohabitation agreements. The only reason to legally redefine marriage is to try to legally force society to accept sexual deviations of a group, & in doing so harms society, especially the future of society: children.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I'm not even really sure why our supposed secular government caters so much to religious unions. Government has bastardized the concept making it harder on civilians if we don't play the rules for the "american dream". Make it easy to marry but most difficult to divorce.

Sexual liberation of today has little to do with same sex. We are moving away from conservative archaic views because they are no longer relevant because we were wrong and now we should know better.

If god doesn't want any gays then tell him to quit making them.
 

HeatherAnn

Active Member
If god doesn't want any gays then tell him to quit making them.

God didn't make gays... except maybe in the rare case of hermaphrodites.

Do you know why we are on the outside of cages at the zoo?
At birth, we are less intelligent than primates, because at birth, our brains are only 25% developed, so we can better adapt to environmental influences. So, although we may not be as smart at birth, we become smarter because we spend longer with parents & in learning through the environment how to survive.

1. No research has found provable biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals & homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior.
2. In 2 large studies conducted... Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences.
3. Older homosexuals often approach the young
4. Early homosexual experiences influence adult patters of behavior
5. Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors - esp. religious convictions
6. Many change their sexual preferences
7. There are many ex-homosexuals"
Environmental factors may influence sexual orientation
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/env...al-orientation

The APA changed the definition of homosexuality not because of scientific studies, but because of political harrassment from gay lobbyists.
The Born "Gay" Hoax |
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, we humans may redefine the parameters of marriage.
I think we'll be better for it if we broaden it to include gays.
For those whose religion prohibits gay marriage, I declare
that I will not force it upon them. It's only fair, eh?
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
We could site many scientific studies & point to scriptures that support that God (or Creation) created us male and female to be partners, not 2 men, not 2 women.
Moreover, our very existence, as well as that of billions of other human beings prove this.
We could study anatomy to determine what parts fit & which parts don't, but we each have bodies & many of us have first hand proof of this.

The proof is in the pudding!
Trying to change reality by denying it is useless & even harmful, when forcing society to legally accept sexual deviations that prove to be harmful.
Even in 2 healthy males, anal sex involves risks of anal fissures, bacterial infections, anal cancer & colon rupture.
No wonder that the US CDC statistics show that those with homosexual preferences switch partners so often (they can't find the right fit) & in so doing, they contract & spread AIDS & STDs at a much higher percentage than heterosexuals do.

God/Creation intended men and women to procreate & for offspring to be cared for by both parents. Legally redefining marriage to be between 2 men or 2 women is denying children of the right to a mother or father. Research & thousands of years of history show that children need a mother & father to thrive best & need both to model how the opposite sex relates to one another.

Many argue that it's their "right" to love whoever they want.
Fine! I have no problem with that - except when they legally require society to honor that & harm children in the process.

Children have the right to not be taught homosexuality in school. Yet, in places where gay marriage has been enacted, these rights have been infringed upon. Here are a few examples where those with homosexual preferences have pushed their assumed rights, which infringed on the rights of others...
*Freshmen were told not to tell their parents about a pro-gay seminar & were required to sign a confidentiality agreement (Derrfield, Illinois Mar. 2007).
*In March, 2007, a Massachusetts high school banned parents from attending a seminar for students on how they can know they are homosexual.
*In October, 2008, First graders (6 year-old students) were taken on a field trip to watch their lesbian teacher's wedding.
*In Oct 2008, a Hayward CA public elementary school celebrated "Coming Out Day."

Normalizing & even encouraging children to explore homosexuality obviously causes more to experiment with homosexuality.
"The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexuality Education in Schools... This report is part of an integrated strategy to inform and educate parents, students and school officials across the nation of its contents and of their respective rights and duties. It has documented the concern that the health of students in many schools across the country may have been compromised and their First Amendment rights may have been denied."
http://www.afamichigan.org/images/Legal ... 200504.pdf

Also, others' rights have been infringed upon in favor of supporting gay rights.
*In April 2008, an Albuquerque photographer was fined over $6,000 for refusing to be hired to photograph a lesbian couple's commitment ceremony.
*In May, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the U of Toledo, Ohio, for writing an editorial objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.
*An intolerant opponent of Proposition 8 even violently attacked & injured a Proposition supporter in Oct. 2008.
*On November 19, 2008, eHarmony, a Christian-based matching service was forced by New Jersey's Division on Civil Rights to provide website matching services for homosexuals.


Same-sex couples already have rights under common law marriage & cohabitation agreements. The only reason to legally redefine marriage is to try to legally force society to accept sexual deviations of a group, & in doing so harms society, especially the future of society: children.

There have been homosexuals in the human population since the beginning.

Sexual deviations that prove to be harmful? I was going to ask what you mean by this but on second thought please don't explain..

Are you aware of the diseases spread between men and women during sex?

There are many man/woman relationships with children that are completely unhealthy, disfunctional, and damaging to children.

How is a child harmed by being adopted by homosexual's?

Children have the right to not be taught homosexuality in school? Strange, so being taught about something that's been in the human population for thousands of years is somehow violating the rights of children?

The harm is what you make of it. You're making this out to be far greater than it really is. It's not damaging any child. It's certainly not violating God's will, if God didn't want homosexuals, there wouldn't be any, no flood needed.

Who exactly is encouraging children to explore homosexuality? Are you saying that abstinence is not taught in schools?

For every one child harmed by homosexuals, I can show you a thousand cases of child abuse by heterosexuals. Why is this, simply because homosexuals make up a smaller percentage of the population, not because they are better, and they generally have less children.
 

HeatherAnn

Active Member
Im sure all the childern will thank you for that.
Maybe.

Studies and common sense, show that children also thrive best by being raised by the 2 opposite sexes that created them (nature is wise).
Gay marriage denies the right for a child to have both a mother and father, & basically states, "Mothers aren't really important - 2 dads are ok, or Fathers aren't really important - 2 moms are ok." When this false!

"Children Need Both A Mother And A Father" Dr. A. Dean Byrd
Children Need Both A Mother And A Father

"Why Children need both Mother-Love and Father-Love" Glenn T. Stanton
http://www.jashow.org/Articles/_PDFArch ... I0804G.pdf

"Mothers' and Fathers' Socializing Behaviors in Three Contexts: Links with Children's Peer Competence"
Pettit, Gregory S.; Brown, Elizabeth Glyn; Mize, Jacquelyn; Lindsey, Eric
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/se ... o=EJ563106

"Why Children Need a Mother and a Father" Bill Muehlenberg
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2010/...-and-a-father/
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
The proof is in the pudding!

What do you believe the penalty for adultery should be? It's one of the Ten Commandments, so we should be talking some serious sanctions here.

What about divorce?

Ronald Reagan - divorced the mother of two of his children. Married Nancy Davis who bore him a daughter only 7 months after the marriage.
Bob Dole - divorced the mother of his child, who had nursed him through the long recovery from his war wounds.
Newt Gingrich - divorced his wife who was dying of cancer.
Dick Armey - Former House Majority Leader - divorced
Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas - divorced
Gov. John Engler of Michigan - divorced
Former Gov. Pete Wilson of California - divorced
George Will - divorced
Sen. Lauch Faircloth - divorced
Rush Limbaugh - Rush and his current wife Marta have six marriages and four divorces between them.
Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia - Barr has been married three times. Barr had the audacity to author and push the "Defense of Marriage Act."
The current joke making the rounds on Capitol Hill is "Bob Barr, WHICH marriage are you defending?"
Sen. Alfonse D'Amato of New York - divorced
Sen. John Warner of Virginia - divorced (once married to Liz Taylor)
Gov. George Allen of Virginia - divorced
Henry Kissinger - divorced
Rep. Helen Chenoweth of Idaho - divorced
Sen. John McCain of Arizona - divorced
Rep. John Kasich of Ohio - divorced
Rep. Susan Molinari of New York (2000 Republican National Convention Keynote Speaker) - divorced


Republican Marriage History
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
God didn't make gays... except maybe in the rare case of hermaphrodites.

Do you know why we are on the outside of cages at the zoo?
At birth, we are less intelligent than primates, because at birth, our brains are only 25% developed, so we can better adapt to environmental influences. So, although we may not be as smart at birth, we become smarter because we spend longer with parents & in learning through the environment how to survive.

1. No research has found provable biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals & homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior.
2. In 2 large studies conducted... Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences.
3. Older homosexuals often approach the young
4. Early homosexual experiences influence adult patters of behavior
5. Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors - esp. religious convictions
6. Many change their sexual preferences
7. There are many ex-homosexuals"
Environmental factors may influence sexual orientation
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/env...al-orientation

The APA changed the definition of homosexuality not because of scientific studies, but because of political harrassment from gay lobbyists.
The Born "Gay" Hoax |

Research has found that the incidence of homosexuality goes up with the number of children, meaning, if parents have 1 child it's rare that child will be homosexual. If parents have fifteen the chances of the later children being homosexual rises. This is not definitive. It's just one study.

Homosexuals believed their feelings were the result of social influences? That's the old nature vs nurture debate. Scientists haven't figured it all out but it always comes out to be a bit of both.

Older homosexuals often approach the young? I don't know where you got this from, the Westboro Baptist Church website probably, but old straight men approach the young too.

Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior? Early heterosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior too.

Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors? Sure it is. Are you saying that devout religious people have better sexual conduct than others?

Many change their sexual preferences? Many who? Many humans? It's a minority of the total population.

There are many ex-homosexuals? And there are many ex-heterosexuals too.
 

HeatherAnn

Active Member
There have been homosexuals in the human population since the beginning.
And there have been all manner of deviations from human behavior, since the beginning.
Are you suggesting tradition makes harmful behavior unharmful?

Are you aware of the diseases spread between men and women during sex?
Yes. And?
Have you looked at statistics comparing the spread of HIV & AIDS between heterosexuals & homosexuals in the US?

There are many man/woman relationships with children that are completely unhealthy, disfunctional, and damaging to children.
Yes. It is rare, but when it happens it's sad.
But how is that relevant to this discussion?

How is a child harmed by being adopted by homosexual's?
A child is then denied the right to have a mother or a father.
Children learn primarly through imitation - they speak the same language as their parents, they pick up on their habits & ways of relating with each other..

Children have the right to not be taught homosexuality in school? Strange, so being taught about something that's been in the human population for thousands of years is somehow violating the rights of children?
Yes, schools have no right teaching harmful sexual deviations.
Schools have no right indoctrinating children with twisted beliefs that conflict with religious freedom.

It's certainly not violating God's will, if God didn't want homosexuals, there wouldn't be any, no flood needed.
How do you know God's will for all of a society?
I know you don't - & in fact, I know that you directly contradict God's will, by supporting something that is contrary to creation, even how you yourself were naturally conceived.

Who exactly is encouraging children to explore homosexuality? Are you saying that abstinence is not taught in schools?
Reread the op for specific cases.

For every one child harmed by homosexuals, I can show you a thousand cases of child abuse by heterosexuals. Why is this, simply because homosexuals make up a smaller percentage of the population...
Yep.
Luckily, according to the voice of the people, many states still restrict homosexual couples from adopting children, although some have. And in those cases, many rights have been infringed upon, as mentioned in the OP.
Still, it is apparent that most people realize & accept REALITY!

33 states had the question if they wanted to maintain marriage to be legally defined to be between a man & a woman.
33 out of 33 states all voted to maintain marriage to be legally defined to be between a man & a woman!
They know that children need both a mother & father.
They know that gay sex (esp. anal sex) carries risks even in healthy individauls, but especially when permiscuous, as those with homosexual preferences statistically show to be.
They realize the truth of what ex-homosexual & ex-gay rights leader Michael Glatze said, "Homosexuality is death and I choose life!"
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Maybe.

Studies and common sense, show that children also thrive best by being raised by the 2 opposite sexes that created them (nature is wise).
Gay marriage denies the right for a child to have both a mother and father, & basically states, "Mothers aren't really important - 2 dads are ok, or Fathers aren't really important - 2 moms are ok." When this false!

"Children Need Both A Mother And A Father" Dr. A. Dean Byrd
Children Need Both A Mother And A Father

"Why Children need both Mother-Love and Father-Love" Glenn T. Stanton
http://www.jashow.org/Articles/_PDFArch ... I0804G.pdf

"Mothers' and Fathers' Socializing Behaviors in Three Contexts: Links with Children's Peer Competence"
Pettit, Gregory S.; Brown, Elizabeth Glyn; Mize, Jacquelyn; Lindsey, Eric
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/se ... o=EJ563106

"Why Children Need a Mother and a Father" Bill Muehlenberg
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2010/...-and-a-father/

Studies and common sense show that children thrive best when raised by 2 opposite sex that created them? Yeah, studies conducted by conservative religious people who have an agenda of hate.

Nature is wise? How wise is Cystic Fibrosis? Autism? Flesh eating bacteria? Tornado's? Tay-Sach's Disease? How wise is it that predators mostly prey on the young?

Gay marriage denies the right of a child to have both a mother and father? Gay marriage is just gay marriage. They don't get a kid handed to them at the alter.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Wow, great argument. I especially love the thorough research done by your sources. You know, the sources who are openly biased against homosexuality and disregard the overwhelming peer reviewed research indicating the natural origins of homosexuality and the findings of the APA that children raised by same-sex parents are equally as stable to those raised by opposite sex parents.

Admit it. Your concern is not the children. It is your own personal ick factor that leads you to your position.

BTW, it is already legal for same sex couples to adopt and/or raise children. So your anti same sex marriage rant is moot.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
And there have been all manner of deviations from human behavior, since the beginning.
Are you suggesting tradition makes harmful behavior unharmful?


Yes. And?
Have you looked at statistics comparing the spread of HIV & AIDS between heterosexuals & homosexuals in the US?


Yes. It is rare, but when it happens it's sad.
But how is that relevant to this discussion?


A child is then denied the right to have a mother or a father.
Children learn primarly through imitation - they speak the same language as their parents, they pick up on their habits & ways of relating with each other..


Yes, schools have no right teaching harmful sexual deviations.
Schools have no right indoctrinating children with twisted beliefs that conflict with religious freedom.


How do you know God's will for all of a society?
I know you don't - & in fact, I know that you directly contradict God's will, by supporting something that is contrary to creation, even how you yourself were naturally conceived.


Reread the op for specific cases.


Yep.
Luckily, according to the voice of the people, many states still restrict homosexual couples from adopting children, although some have. And in those cases, many rights have been infringed upon, as mentioned in the OP.
Still, it is apparent that most people realize & accept REALITY!

33 states had the question if they wanted to maintain marriage to be legally defined to be between a man & a woman.
33 out of 33 states all voted to maintain marriage to be legally defined to be between a man & a woman!
They know that children need both a mother & father.
They know that gay sex (esp. anal sex) carries risks even in healthy individauls, but especially when permiscuous, as those with homosexual preferences statistically show to be.
They realize the truth of what ex-homosexual & ex-gay rights leader Michael Glatze said, "Homosexuality is death and I choose life!"

I'm suggesting that your "deviations" are not deviations.

I haven't looked at the statistics comparing the spread of HIV and AIDS in the US? What's that got to do with me? I'm not in a high risk category. Are you?

The occurence of child abuse in man/woman relationships is rare? It's probably a thousand times the rate of homosexual relationships.

How is it relevant to the discussion? You're saying homosexuality is damaging to children. I'm saying heterosexuality is MORE damaging to children.

There is no right to a mother and father. It does not exist. There are many orphaned children. Children learn through imitation? In the earliest stages they do, then they grow up and make their own decisions.

Schools have no right teaching harmful sexual deviations? They don't, that's why they don't teach harmful sexual deviations, whatever that is.

Schools have no right indoctrinating children with twisted beliefs that conflict with religious freedom? They have EVERY right to teach topics that are relevant to human society, the good and the bad (as long as it is age appropriatte).

How do I know God's will for society? Well I know that in most of the Old Testament God is angry at the heterosexuals, with only a few references to homosexuals.

I'm not going to read your specific cases. Humans are not a perfect species. There are screwed up humans of both sexual preferences.

States used to not allow women to vote either. What happened there?
 
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Vultar

Active Member
An interesting conservative close minded view. To discrimanate against anyone, be it for sexual orientation, race or even religion is just wrong and damaging to society (and to children for that matter).

There are many studies supporting both viewpoints as any study can have the results skewed by whoever is doing the study (otherwise coffee wouldn't be good for you, bad for you, good for you etc)

Although studies are unable to actually prove the real reason for homosexuality, it does have a very simple answer. People will sometimes retain some traits from past lives, so if in your last life you were of a different gender, you may still have some of the desires of that gender. This is why some people find the need to have a sex change or prefer the same sex in a relationship.

The animal kingdom also has examples of creatures that exibit these same tendencies. Some people just can't handle when someone acts differently from what they expect.
 
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