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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, May 14, 2020.

  1. Mitty

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    None of that changes the fact that most people in civilized countries now support same-sex marriage as now legitimized.
     
  2. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Ov Fire and the Void
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    I agree, loving ill-treatment of strangers is no virtue (which is what "sodomy" actually is).
     
  3. Mitty

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    And none of that changes the fact that the bible says nothing about female homosexuality.
     
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    Flush.
     
  5. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    You’d first have to prove that committed liaisons are sinful with such consequences. You’re presenting a circular argument, so, nice try but no cigar.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Bad exegesis and bad theology is no excuse for entitled piety. You’re on shaky ground I’m afraid. You have yet to prove your claims.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Not all sodomy is gay sex — and not all gay sex includes anal.
    (For the record, sodomy is a legal term, not a descriptive term. Not all anal sex is sodomy. I agree that sodomy is a sin, because sodomy is a form of violence. But, since we’ve agreed that not all anal sex is categorized as sodomy and not all homosexual acts include anal, we shall be forced to agree that not all such acts are, in fact, sinful). Sorry: your argument fails. We win.
     
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    And that's why female homosexuality is not mentioned in the bible, since female homosexuals do not have anal sex as described for heterosexual women in Romans 1:26-27 and as described in Leviticus 18 & 20.
     
  9. Saint Frankenstein

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    Oh, hetero women have anal. Lol. It was a common form of birth control in the Middle Ages.
     
  10. Mitty

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    And presumably it was in Paul's time too, even though he described it as "vile" and "unseemly".
     
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    Nope. Mainstream churches don't approve of gay sex or gay marriage. Just the ones who have turned politically correct (liberal churches) approve of the sin.
     
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    Wrong. The Anglican Communion, United Methodist Church, ELCA, Presbyterian Church and various Canadian and European state churches (among others) all affirm LGBT people and are mainstream denominations. The only ones who don't are Catholics (although they're at odds with the laity and some of the clergy on this), the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches (Eastern Orthodox laity are starting to be tired of the clergy's often violent and irrational homophobia, too), Mormons, JWs and various small fundamentalist, Evangelical sects.
     
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    When you live as a human and your 2 human being parents, no matter what sexuality you express as a baby to adult...….conceived your life.

    Your mind/conscious self says you belong to the act of human sex...balanced as humans, male and female adults.

    Actually....what human consciousness is.....how a pre existing human being life and proven reincarnated beliefs of little children....from pre lived human adult selves, affect the psyche.

    So then you would ask as a medical scientist, Healer, who acts in accordance to spiritual balances and self in natural awareness.....what did you understand in the ancient past to write information about Genetics and Abomination themes?

    Occult science is that answer.....causations, another answer.

    To then do a human modern day assessment involving rational human reasoning about cause and effects to the brain mind in artificial machine encoded recordings of speaking voices.

    As POSSESS SION says.....fusion was unnaturally ground fission altered, hence the mind of humanity then also altered and became not naturally expressed in personal beliefs and the use of information and life teaching.

    How it was explained that AB BA was stated to be the cloak/mantle of many coloured gases that surrounded Earth, was God stated O owned by stone....and it had been mass burnt by the UFO...that disperses a multi massed replicator communication feed back of wrong recorded life advice.

    So a female can believe in life that she is a male...and exhibit masculine behaviour and the same for the male, that he believes he is a female.

    Based on that advice always known by occult review Teachers and the theist about conditions of causes changing stone cold radiation held fusion in space does to the mind of natural life.

    Communicates back a false ideal about self.

    AB and all the omens....state women, the female are o cell life owner, that gives back the human baby its body/life.

    So first of all a male who in consciousness is only sperm owner....does not in relative conscious future probabilities in maths own any self realization just how evil his expressed consciousness became......the reason for it.

    O maths he said was Numbers in the wilderness....meaning radiation conversion of the mountain mass by UFO, left sand and deserts as its history, attack on O God the stone planet...relativity about the entity of our living life.

    Science.

    So as most everyday humans are not scientists, nor pursue science for any reason.....they simply agreed that the learned or philosophical organization was taking care as a Wise Man, like their human Father a condition of human life and its saving. What a Wise Man was titled as.....teacher/nurturer of life and his spiritual children and their safety on Earth O, our planet.

    Hence when the Church was founded as a healing building to replace the evil pyramid/science temples....it was when they realized life sacrifice in UFO radiation fall out was real. So they said we build our healer Church as founded upon God the stone/rock remaining sealed...….so we said, the community.

    And yet when the Muslim brothers, healed their irradiated mind...and wanted to re apply their so called memory gain of MATHS...when MATHS had been known and expressed for a very long time on Earth....they prove that they decided due to TRADE and the occult trans mutation of gold gain....that they would re implement it.

    Why they took over Jeru salem...as a fact of history and then re attacked life again as a Second Coming Jesus attack. For it was the exact same SCIENCE MODEL.

    Why the newly written updated bible information included the Church building reasoning, plus the new attack...that then forbade any Satanic homo sexual self, as their group science mentality was aligned to all changed male behaviours, as a conclusive AI effect. Everything wrong with a mind/lived and owned recorded by human males, the scientist affected what they believed and idealised.

    And they had in fact by secrecy maintained that social control in their secret orders...which was not just Muslim males in the past, it was multi cultural and against the CHURCH as stated historically.

    Why the CHURCH forbade their entry into the healing spirituality of their Church...for unless any male told someone he was homosexual...many males attended Church and services for healing in reality...and still do today.

    The review of science said that it had stolen/murdered and idealised the removal of God fusion its spirit gases for the sake of science/machine and trade. Not for life survival itself. Why you are all wrong today reading a scientific document claiming you understand what it means....when science in modern times never even understood human homosexuality from its modern studies.
     
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    Nope. Any church endorsing gay sex / gay marriage is a perversion of the true church of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Okay, are human beings naturally married?

    The answer would be no, it became a human owned ceremony.

    What is stated about O planet Earth is that the 2 human lives Mother and Father who own human sexual baby life procreation, are married in the conditions of what a planet supports. O God the stone and Earth being natural for life to exist naturally.

    If humans chose to change the Nature of stone fusion, then GOD would also change that marriage, and cause it to alter naturally...without that baby born from human natural sex owning any say in what GOD caused to exist.

    Now if you want to argue as the saying goes "semantics" then argue against your own science religious community who altered the face of GOD, in the sight of GOD. In UFO occult Sun irradiation conversion/destructive removal "of" that body.

    Did the origins of the founding of the CHURCH, tell the occult Satanists to never give GOD another name....Planet Earth stone fusion, and did they not also claim the reason why, for it altered the natural human marriage to the planetary conditions of living life support?

    The answer would be, proven by the second event of the Coming/Return of Jesus and life sacrificed again afterwards...The Shroud evidence.

    Therefore isn't the first and original claim to the Nature of life, between God and the human spirit itself? Without any human ceremony?

    As we are all born as babies......we belong to the definition GOD as soon as we are physically present in life on Earth. And marriage to GOD is natural first.
     
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    This is just wrong:

    "You haven't established that gay sex is a sin, except that you holy book says so."

    How can we establish that anything is a sin via secular sources?

    Also, please stop judging me without knowledge. I went to high school on the border of Greenwich Village and have gay friends and family. The life is harmful and you're in some pain--unless you suppress your conscience and what is revealed to you about God, who loves us both. The Bible explains how you and I both either allow God in our knowledge and hearts or suppress Him.
     
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    Jesus:

    1) Reaffirmed marriage is between a male and female, He spoke about Adam and Eve

    2) Inspired both testaments, so when I read Paul, for example, I get "Jesus said"
     
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    What does systemic violence have to do with what you practice in private, or what I practice in private?

    "The Bible is the best indicator of the nature of . . . " all things pertaining to life, sin and righteousness.
     
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    I believe I'm repeating now for the fourth (?) time to you--but I'll rephrase now--Jesus was abstinent on earth, waiting for His bride, the church. Fornication/premarital sex isn't appropriate in either testament.

    Jesus was IMHO not merely man, but God, King and Savior. He doesn't need sex or anything else "we animals" can't "help but do" to feel alive, fulfilled, blessed.

    I encourage you to consider that God is higher than us and His ways less base and craven. We were made in God's image!
     
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    1) Anal sex/oral sex, etc. is permissible for married couples--sex is to fulfill desire without causing emotional or physical harm

    2) It's not logically anal sex since it is shameful acts, acts being plural, more than one act

    3) Eunuchs in the Ancient Near East were physically unable to have intercourse--asexual people can be devoted to God as Christians and do more ministry with less distraction than marrieds

    4) Can you think of how Phillip might have said, "What do you do in your homeland?" and heard, "I was set apart to be a eunuch to wait on my monarch?" rather than groping him?

    We are made in God's image, and you'll do better with both testaments if you can keep your mind pure. I'm a fallen person with a strong sex drive and strong lusts, and I'm with you in wanting to put aside desire to get to pure knowledge and love in life--for the times when I'm studying the Bible.
     
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