God And Homosexuality

[Mitty]

Jesus was no liberal. Examples in the article below.

Was Jesus a liberal?

And if Jesus were a liberal, the liberal meatheads today wouldn't be burning down and/or desecrating Christian churches, etc.

So why wouldn't Jesus burn down and/or desecrate churches?

 

[Mitty]

I'm saying homosexual sin was a big problem in Sodom and Gomorrah, and gay sex is still a sin today in America and wherever it is practiced.

It doesn't matter. They no doubt had historical information about Sodom and Gomorrah passed down to them.

So where oh where does Genesis 18 or 19 say anything about "homosexual sin", or did you just make that up?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Jesus and his family didn't stay to collect welfare and sponge off the state. They left Egypt.



They should have come in the proper way - LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Illegal immigration is breaking the law of this land. Render unto Caesar, right?

It's mostly red states that collect most of the welfare and sponge off the state (since they're so poor). So why aren't you mad at your fellow white conservatives? Those "illegals" are essentially working for free and paying taxes ontop of that.

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

There are various ways of interpreting that verse. One that I'm partial to is:

"Christian anarchists do not interpret Matthew 22:21 as advocating support for taxes but as further advice to free oneself from material attachment. Jacques Ellul believes the passage shows that Caesar may have rights over the fiat money he produces, but not things that are made by God, as he explains:[24]

Render unto Caesar..." in no way divides the exercise of authority into two realms....They were said in response to another matter: the payment of taxes, and the coin. The mark on the coin is that of Caesar; it is the mark of his property. Therefore give Caesar this money; it is his. It is not a question of legitimizing taxes! It means that Caesar, having created money, is its master. That's all. Let us not forget that money, for Jesus, is the domain of Mammon, a satanic domain!"

"The less you have of Caesar's, the less you have to render to Caesar."
— Dorothy Day, The Catholic Worker

 

[Spartan]

It's mostly red states that collect most of the welfare and sponge off the state (since they're so poor). So why aren't you mad at your fellow white conservatives? Those "illegals" are essentially working for free and paying taxes ontop of that.

If it weren't for the anarchist blue states that foist illegal immigration on the rest of the country, we wouldn't need to be paying out welfare to illegal aliens.

 

[Spartan]

Except it wasn't talking about "gay sex", as has been pointed out to you multiple times, unless you think all "gay sex" is gang rape.

Yes, it does matter. It's not a historical text. It's an apocalyptic religious book.

Gay sex is an abomination in the Bible. Let's review what God and the Bible actually say about homosexual sin:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

And for those who would argue that Jesus never spoke out about gay sex, there's the following:

Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

There's no approval of gay sex or gay marriage in either the Old or New Testaments.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If it weren't for the anarchist blue states that foist illegal immigration on the rest of the country, we wouldn't need to be paying out welfare to illegal aliens.

Now you've just taken leave of reality.

"With very few exceptions (such as access to medical care for victims of human trafficking), undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federal public benefits such as Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare and food stamps. In addition, most immigrants with lawful status are not entitled to these benefits until they have been in the country for five years or longer. This means that Social Security is often being deducted from immigrants’ paychecks but they cannot access those benefits. According to a 2018 study by the CATO Institute, eligible immigrants use 27% fewer benefits relative to U.S. natives of similar incomes and ages."
Myths and Facts About Immigrants and Immigration (En Español)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Gay sex is an abomination in the Bible. Let's review what God and the Bible actually say about homosexual sin:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

And for those who would argue that Jesus never spoke out about gay sex, there's the following:

Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

There's no approval of gay sex or gay marriage in either the Old or New Testaments.

Those verses have been covered before. Now you're just copying and pasting.

 

[Mitty]

Gay sex is an abomination in the Bible. Let's review what God and the Bible actually say about homosexual sin:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

And for those who would argue that Jesus never spoke out about gay sex, there's the following:

Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Leviticus law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc. It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made.

There's no approval of gay sex or gay marriage in either the Old or New Testaments.

None of that changes the fact that the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuals since they do not have anal sex as described for heterosexual women in Romans 1:26-27 and as described in Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

None of that changes the fact that the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuals since they do not have anal sex as described for heterosexual women in Romans 1:26-27.

Nevermind that some of those verses aren't translated correctly and most of them are about pagan backsliders, pederasty and temple prostitution.

 

[Spartan]

Nevermind that some of those verses aren't translated correctly and most of them are about pagan backsliders, pederasty and temple prostitution.

LOL.

 

[Mitty]

If it weren't for the anarchist blue states that foist illegal immigration on the rest of the country, we wouldn't need to be paying out welfare to illegal aliens.

At least the goodies won 45 years ago, while the baddies skulked back home to build this wall to commemorate complete stupidity.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

LOL.

I could say the same about your posts. You've already been found spouting total bs about "illegals".

 

[Mitty]

LOL.

So where does Gen 18 or 19 say that Lot's sons-in-law wanted to have sex with the two blokes in Lot's house instead of their future wives?
And where does Romans 1:26-27 say anything about female homosexuality or women with women

 

[sojourner]

Once again, you ignore Jude 7:

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Jude doesn’t inform Genesis. It’s later commentary, but doesn’t figure in an exegesis of Genesis.

 

[Spartan]

Jude doesn’t inform Genesis. It’s later commentary, but doesn’t figure in an exegesis of Genesis.

Jude was the brother of Jesus (God). I'll take his word for it over those spouting a godless, pro-homosexual agenda.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I don’t see how that significantly informs us about one sexual identity as a “bad” thing and the other as “natural.” Any more than being raised in a Catholic family and turning out Catholic is any huge surprise. We all have struggles with parents, and our coping mechanisms are mostly normal. Don’t you think the psychiatric community has spent years exploring all of this before coming to their finding that homosexual orientation is a normal and healthy expression of sexual identity?

Happy to explain. The evidence strongly correlates sex abuse and emotional abuse with the fostering of homosexuality in young people. Jesus tells us in the New Testament that people who corrupt youth are worse off than drowning in the Sea of Galilee, and that homosexuality is correlated with brokenness and sin.

We all have struggles with parents, but, for example, fathers of gay men, and gay children of fathers, have expressed the intense separation they have felt/experienced from a very early (pre-sexual/prepubescent age).

And no, not everyone had sex young with a same sex abuser.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Not me. It is a long-debunked myth that child sexual abuse causes homosexuality.



Not me. The main difficulty I have with my father is that he, like you, is an Evangelical Christian who doesn't accept my sexual orientation. Other than that, my father and I have basically had a very positive, healthy, loving relationship.

Any other stereotypes I can disspell for you about my community?

I didn't say child sex abuse. I said sexual imprinting, early, from a same sex partner. Your first sexual experience was with which gender, when?

You and your dad get along beautifully except that he thinks you're going to Hell and you think his God exists? Doesn't exist?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Just...no. You are again invoking the debunked idea that gay people are gay because they have lousy parents. There is zero scientific evidence for that position.



This certainly happens, but is not universal. As gender norms have started to shift in a more egalitarian direction, I have noticed that the tendency you note has also shifted/decreased.



This is a begged question. It's not that "all gay sex is straight sex," it's that sex/sexuality, of any kind, generally involves physical touch and stimulation of the genitals. There are a finite number of ways to physically stimulate one's genitals to achieve sexual arousal and orgasm. So sex tends to incorporate those physical acts, regardless of the genders involved.



There's no evidence for this, and there is actually scientific evidence that contradicts it.



I would encourage you to do the same, since you appear to be endorsing a number of totally baseless, debunked ideas about gay people. Please get your information from reputable, scientific studies and organizations, rather than ones with a religious agenda.

While all you said is arguably incorrect, your last sentence is of the most concern:

The Bible is unreliable/Science and modernity are reliable - which sounds alike a justification of sin. I encourage you to be very honest.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Where does the bible say that Jesus didn't love one of his disciples as stated in John 20:26 & 21:7 and married a church instead, because he was asexual as so born from his mother's womb (Matt 19:12)?

It says no such thing. It does say Jesus's bride is the church, and Jesus's engagement to us precludes sexual activity/marriage with mere humans while He was on Earth.

 

[BilliardsBall]

So why don't you accept that Jesus said that some men do not marry because they are so born from their mothers' wombs (Matt 19:12), which is why he said nothing about male homosexuality, and given that the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality anyway?

Romans 1 was one example where lesbianism is clear--I await, still, your alternative interpretation of :

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

How is that NOT a description of lesbianism?

As to your other point, I do accept that Matthew is talking about asexual persons, not homosexuals, since the passage includes the word EUNUCHS.