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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Vaziri, Jul 9, 2019.

  1. Vaziri

    Vaziri Islamic Philosopher

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    Our DNA is almost identical to a tree.. Yeah, its the same.
     
  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I'm getting mixed signals with the above, so maybe you can clarify this as your first sentence doesn't seem to match your conclusion.

    Also, a survey by Pew Polls found that most Christian and Jewish theologians do accept the ToE as long as it is understood that God was behind it all. Indeed, as it is mostly fundamentalist Protestants and JW's who are opposed to the ToE.

    I was brought up in one of those churches, btw.
     
  3. shunyadragon

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    That is not the scientific view of micro-evolution. Micro-evolution would be just evolution on a small scale. Among Creationists it is evolution only within similar kinds.

    A chart on the wall is not the science of evolution, which has been falsified beyond any reasonable doubt, and continues to increase the evidence all the time. Fundamentalist Creationists have not presented a viable alternative based on science.
     
  4. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    You forgot to answer my question.

    Do you agree that we and pigs share a common ancestor?

    Ciao

    - viole
     
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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Yes, I knee every night and recite the Periodic table of elements.

    Ciao

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  6. shunyadragon

    shunyadragon Veteran Member
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    No, the Islamic world consistently believes in the scientific view of an ancient earth based on geologic evidence. The exhibit did not address the issue of evolution. The diversity of views of Muslims toward evolution is not as consistent as it is for the physical history of the earth.
     
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    Muslim scholars rejecting Darwin's theory of evolution as 'unproven'
    “...in countries such as Tunisia, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan and Malaysia, only 15 per cent of people surveyed believed Darwin’s theory was “true” or “probably true”.”
     
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  8. Vaziri

    Vaziri Islamic Philosopher

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    didn't forget, trying to ignore... yes trees, pigs, horses, seaweed, elephants, kangaroos, palm trees, ducks, turtles, chickens..
    Since you are stuck on pigs I imagine your gonna say something clever about not eating pork or something.. just because I can't eat it doesn't mean we are not related.
     
  9. Audie

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    Sayeth Allah: Verily, verily, I do commadeth unto thee,
    dodge, duck, and squirmeth away from, spray equivocation
    at, ALL such demon driven trick questions as may be flang
    at ya by them evil bacon -chompin' skraelings!!




    I heard about that.
     
  10. TagliatelliMonster

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    Is it? Because last time I checked, a majority of theists, christians in particular, have no problem with biological evolution. The catholic church's official position is that evolution occured. That alone supposedly accounts for more then a billion christians.

    It is true that a disturbingly high number of americans seem to be biology deniers... but that hardly accounts for a majority worldwide.

    Having said that, a LOT of biologists, evolutionary biologists, molecular biologists, geneticists, etc are actually theists.


    So it seems to me that your opening statement isn't really accurate.

    I'm sure you can "interprete" your sacred texts in such a way so that you can marry them with modern scientific views, but let's not pretend as if your sacred texts tell the same story as modern science, because it really doesn't.

    There's nothing in the quran which suggests that the first generations of stars went supernove and thereby created the heavier elements which our current bodies are made up of, billions of years later. Nothing at all.

    Yet curiously, such always only seems to be the case after science comes up with things. Never before.

    You might also want to look up islamic acceptance of mainstream biology in islamic nations in the middle east. You say that the Quran agrees with modern science, and that modern science is even verifiable in the Quran. Yet a great number of muslims, in some countries an insane majority, heavily disagrees with you on that and in fact claims the exact opposite.

    It's all about dogmatism / fundamentalism.
     
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  11. Vaziri

    Vaziri Islamic Philosopher

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    you're the judge.. youd know.. thanks for your time. some arrogant obnoxious know it all I do not have time for. thanks.. IGNORE
     
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    Meanwhile, Islamic faith schools in London are teaching children that evolution is false.
     
  13. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    As a Baha'i I see that both Humanity and Faith follow a progressive evolutionary process.

    Thus I see humaity is still evolving and that faith is still evolving.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Well said! Agreed.
     
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  15. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    Well, that's obviously false...
     
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    Really? I have not visited any Muslim schools in London.
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    No. He's taking the work of scientists for it.
    The opinions of scientists are irrelevant.

    It's about the actual evidence.

    No.

    Science is very results based. The scientific methodology is basically a BS filter.
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    Richard Dawkins has.

    You can see clips of his visit to the "science class" and interviews of him with the "teachers" on youtube.
     
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    In Hinduism God and evolution go perfect together. And my Master broadened it even more "choose whatever path you feel best with and go for it"
    God will not judge you. Just be happy, and thereby you make others happy, so that all will be happy ... aka God will be happy (as a fugure of speech)
    Even from age 10 this is what what I believed. Finding my Master who was teaching exactly the same, felt like finally coming home

    I like that "not trying to revert everyone to Islam" ... same here ... just sharing my ideas, not debating. Even urging others to stick to their own faith
     
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