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Global flood stories in many ancient cultures

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Agnostic75, Feb 13, 2012.

  1. Agnostic75

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    The following is from another thread:

    Who wrote the stories? According to global flood advocates, the stories could only have been written by people who were on Noah's ark, and/or their descendants, since the flood killed everyone else in the world.

    If all flood stories were written by people who were on Noah's ark, and/or their descendants, there would probably be far more commonalities in the flood stories than there are. A very detailed list of global flood stories is at Flood Stories from Around the World. The great differences among them are much more obvious than the similarities.

    It is important to note that many of the flood myths might have been written as deliberate fiction.

    Consider the following:

    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

     
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  2. Iti oj

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    This reminds me most cultures have dragon myths does this make dragons any more real
     
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    Sin-Leqi-Unninni, one of the first authors known in history with a flood story, which even predates him to the sumerians.


    The ice ages for one caused a lot of floods in which we have a lot of evidence for them, but no global flood. People like now even live close to waterways that flood. Most people in ancient times lived next to waterways or water.

    Every date they try and give you for a global flood you can show something going on at that time in the world with people or places.
     
  4. outhouse

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    Its a fact at one tine or another, floods have occured around the planet.

    River floods and tsunami's account for most of them.

    There has never been a global flood


    If we take noahs flood there is no mystery at all. Historians know that the Sumerian legends were handed down and these same semetic speaking people that came from that culture, brought the legends with them.

    The bible states the flood story originates from mesopotamia and in fact it really does. The Euphrates river overflowed in 2900 BC this is a attested flood [means it really happened] a story was recorded of a man who went down the river in a barge that went down the river and landed next to a hill where a animal sacrifice took place. This flood story is the earliest one in the levant and predates hebrews by 1700 years. many other flood stories spawned from teh real flood that caused major devistation to the area.


    One has to realize that ancient people built their civilizations next to rivers to keep their agraculture alive. There were no major cities or civilizations until about 6000 ish years ago. There was no communication that there were in fact 500 or 1000 year floods that would wipe them out. They didnt know any better and built on these floodable grounds, this we all have flood stories. As civilizations started to realize where and where NOT to build, were not loosing as many civilizations to river floods the way they used to.
     
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    There are thousands of cultures in the world. According to this thread, only around 350 have a story about a flood.

    That's weird. I'm sure that every culture experienced some flood in the past. According to the geological evidence in my country, lots of floods occurred in human history. Somehow the indigenous people missed it lots of times in their myths. And the indigenous people here are some of the first humans. Maybe some myth about a global flood missed them....they didn't all drown at all. "Hydrological sorting", I guess. These people just don't remember being "hydrologically sorted". Neither a big flood...
     
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    In the opening post, I mentioned an article about global flood stories from ancient cultures at Flood Stories from Around the World. The very detailed article shows that the differences with the biblical accounts are far greater than the similarities.
     
  8. Madhuri

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    Maybe the Noah's Ark version is the wrong one.
    According to the Hindu version, this flood happened a lot further back in history. Hinduism is also one of the most ancient religions and it is my personal opinion that the major religions of the world evolved from the Vedic religions. As we know, time causes things to change and so it's possible that this story changed over time in different places to suit cultures and ideas.

    Just a theory.
     
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    Not saying it is true, but according to Hindu descriptions, dragons were just flying (wings) snakes. They weren't particularly large and they didn't breath fire. Is it impossible that this sort of creature existed once?
     
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    (it's gotta be the season)
     
  11. Madhuri

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    I'm sure a lot of things happened in history that have been lost to our knowledge. Do you think every community past along all things to their decedents? Especially if those cultures did not write down their history, you don't think some actually lost the information?
     
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    History of the Collapse of Flood Geology and a Young Earth

    adapted from the book The Biblical Flood: A Case Study of the Church's Response to Extrabiblical Evidence (Eerdmans, 1995) by Davis A. Young, an evangelical Christian geologist from Calvin College

     
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    It has more to do with the earth's geology and paleoclimitology then humans passing stories around.

    There was no flood. A place on earth in the Atacama desert, it hasn't rained in 23 million years and in Antartica, 2 million. Not to mention we have ice core samples going back a million years that record very accurately percipitation and gasses in the atmosphere annually and no flood.
     
  14. Madhuri

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    Good point. I agree with this argument, I simply had problems with the previous.
     
  15. outhouse

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    thanks for the help understanding religion and history :facepalm:


    there is no doubt in most historians and scholars that Ziusudra was the origination for the hebrew mythology regarding noah.

    A real flood in 2900 BC exactly where noahs flood is said to have happened

    and a real man named on a kings list in Sumerian histroy.
     
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    All the flood stories come from cultures remembering the global flood after the time of the tower of Babel incident where God confused the languages of the people. These cultural groups remembered/wrote their stories after this, they were not written by Noah and his sons, at least that we know about.
     
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    Global flood stories of various cultures are not nearly similar enough to make a claim that they all originated from Noah, and the rest of his group.

    The vast majority of geologists do not believe that a global flood occurred, probably even including the vast majority of Christian geologists.
     
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    There is a Wikipedia article about the history of China at Timeline of Chinese history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. How does Chinese history indicate that a global flood occurred?
     
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    Agnostic75, if you have never seen this or the whole series you should check them out. Called "How the earth was made." from the history channel. They give you major details along the way on the geologic processes that made the earth.

    Most of them are in youtube now.

    This conclusively proves there was no global flood in detail.

    Driest Place on Earth

    [youtube]OkXnWfd2fcw[/youtube]
    Driest Place on Earth S01E06 - How the Earth Was Made - History Channel - YouTube
     
  20. Agnostic75

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    Thanks, I just watched the video.
     
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