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Global Expert Advisory Panels: The Future of Governing?

joe1776

Well-Known Member
The creation of the Internet made possible a new and more effective system of governing. This new system holds the potential to upgrade the quality of life for the entire global community. My idea was inspired by the brain trusts used in an advisory capacity on economic problems and wartime strategy during Franklin Roosevelt's presidency.

The first problem: Human societies are cooperative endeavors. Their goal is to increase the chances that cooperative citizens will survive and thrive. To reach that goal, societies must be governed competently. Unfortunately, we humans have yet to invent a competent government (an efficient decision-making process to manage a nation). The best we can say is that some existing governments are less incompetent than others. The first problem is that we do a poor job of selecting the people who will make decisions for us.

The second problem: A mechanical system, like the family car, can easily be fixed or replaced because the system does not resist change. Governments in power resist change because the power-holders are people who want to hold onto it.

The online global expert advisory panels decision-making process holds the potential to solve both problems.

The basic idea of the expert panel model can be tested in any classroom. Imagine a class of 33 very bright third-grade students taking a math exam on long division. Instead of grading them individually, imagine them voting on the correct answers as a group. On any test where the correct answers are certain, as they are in Math, the answers given by the majority of the class will, with near certainty, result in a perfect score. While we can imagine even the smartest student making an occasional error, we can't imagine the majority of the class making what would need to be the very same error.

If we trust the majority vote of a bright, well-trained group when the answers are certain, as they are in math, then we should logically have the same trust that the decisions of such a group will likely be our best options based on the evidence available at the time -- and that is the best we can hope for when decision-makers lack crystal balls to see the future. In the global advisory panel concept, a panel of 33 very intelligent experts on any issue will make decisions after an online, written discussion-debate session.

Why 33 panel members? A number much larger would encumber the online written discussion-debate session. A number much smaller lowers the combined total experience level and increases the risk of a bias sending the decision off course. 33 members seems about right, but the number isn't critical to the model.

Efficient government decision-making involves selecting decision-makers based on three factors:

• Maximizing the decision-makers native talent for reasoning
• Maximizing the relevant experience of the decision-makers
• Minimizing the relevant bias of the decision-makers

The current governing models of the world, mostly democracies, using elections and appointments to select decision-makers, are weak on all three factors.

Maximum intelligence: Most decision-making requires the skilled use of reason. The expert panel process would maximize the native intelligence of the decision-makers by choosing panel members from a list of the highest scorers on a well-accepted, standard test of intelligence.

Maximum experience: The panels would maximize relevant experience by assuring that the candidates are qualified in training and experience. Some examples:

• 33 experts on food safety will advise governments on food safety policy
• 33 experts on the climate will advise governments on climate policy
• 33 experts on the economy will advise governments on economic policy
• 33 experts on civil rights will advise governments on civil rights cases

Minimum bias: Bias is the arch enemy of truth and justice. Elections and appointments of decision-makers in current governments almost guarantee partisan biases that will hinder the decision process. In the expert panel model, bias will be minimized in four ways:

1) The expert panels will not have leaders trying to emotionally influence the panelists. Members would be persuaded by reason alone.

2) Expert panelists will be selected randomly by computer from a list of qualified candidates. This avoids the biases inherent in elections and appointments.

3) Members of the panels might live anywhere in the world if they have access to the Internet. The panels would not have built-in cultural and national biases.

4) Collusion among the members could be made nearly impossible.

The Executive Panel: Only members of the top-ranked executive panel will have no specific expertise. Its members will rank among the highest in native intelligence. Their responsibility will be to see the Big Picture and identify the objectives of the sub-panels. They might then transfer their vision to lower ranking panels using brief mission statements as guidance.

Assuming success: If the decision-making of expert panels is obviously better than offered by their current government, citizens of democracies, in ever-increasing numbers, will vote for political candidates who promise to take the advice of the expert panels.

Solving disputes between individuals or nations: When negotiation fails to settle disputes, the expert panel method, when combined with binding arbitration, has the potential to solve them. For example, the United Nations might authorize a 33-member binding arbitration panel on the long-standing Israeli-Palestinian dispute. The panel members would be selected randomly by computer from a list of highly intelligent people unbiased on the issue. Their online, written discussion-debate could be followed by a world-wide audience.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
I wonder about the attitudes towards population growth. The sharing and trading of resources is crucial to modern life, and with the war in Ukraine wheat and sunflower oil are going to be more expensive and scarce. So the role of war as a means to theft of resources, or population control (due to deaths) might be an issue that is crucial but ignored.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
I wonder about the attitudes towards population growth. The sharing and trading of resources is crucial to modern life, and with the war in Ukraine wheat and sunflower oil are going to be more expensive and scarce. So the role of war as a means to theft of resources, or population control (due to deaths) might be an issue that is crucial but ignored.
Agreed.

When I wrote in the OP about 33 experts on the economy offering advice, I immediately wondered about the complex economic problems they would face in the future and whether they could agree on anything.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
Agreed.

When I wrote in the OP about 33 experts on the economy offering advice, I immediately wondered about the complex economic problems they would face in the future and whether they could agree on anything.
I've seen the comment made: "If you ask two economists one question you will get two different answers." Let's start by asking 33 economists which economic system is the "best."
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
I've seen the comment made: "If you ask two economists one question you will get two different answers." Let's start by asking 33 economists which economic system is the "best."
That's true as things stand.

In my model though, the expert economists would be guided by a mission statement which will probably limit their options. For example, if the Executive Panel defines a society as a cooperative endeavor aimed at raising the quality of life for all cooperative citizens, that would limit the economic options.
 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
The creation of the Internet made possible a new and more effective system of governing. This new system holds the potential to upgrade the quality of life for the entire global community. My idea was inspired by the brain trusts used in an advisory capacity on economic problems and wartime strategy during Franklin Roosevelt's presidency.

The first problem: Human societies are cooperative endeavors. Their goal is to increase the chances that cooperative citizens will survive and thrive. To reach that goal, societies must be governed competently. Unfortunately, we humans have yet to invent a competent government (an efficient decision-making process to manage a nation). The best we can say is that some existing governments are less incompetent than others. The first problem is that we do a poor job of selecting the people who will make decisions for us.

The second problem: A mechanical system, like the family car, can easily be fixed or replaced because the system does not resist change. Governments in power resist change because the power-holders are people who want to hold onto it.

The online global expert advisory panels decision-making process holds the potential to solve both problems.

The basic idea of the expert panel model can be tested in any classroom. Imagine a class of 33 very bright third-grade students taking a math exam on long division. Instead of grading them individually, imagine them voting on the correct answers as a group. On any test where the correct answers are certain, as they are in Math, the answers given by the majority of the class will, with near certainty, result in a perfect score. While we can imagine even the smartest student making an occasional error, we can't imagine the majority of the class making what would need to be the very same error.

If we trust the majority vote of a bright, well-trained group when the answers are certain, as they are in math, then we should logically have the same trust that the decisions of such a group will likely be our best options based on the evidence available at the time -- and that is the best we can hope for when decision-makers lack crystal balls to see the future. In the global advisory panel concept, a panel of 33 very intelligent experts on any issue will make decisions after an online, written discussion-debate session.

Why 33 panel members? A number much larger would encumber the online written discussion-debate session. A number much smaller lowers the combined total experience level and increases the risk of a bias sending the decision off course. 33 members seems about right, but the number isn't critical to the model.

Efficient government decision-making involves selecting decision-makers based on three factors:

• Maximizing the decision-makers native talent for reasoning
• Maximizing the relevant experience of the decision-makers
• Minimizing the relevant bias of the decision-makers

The current governing models of the world, mostly democracies, using elections and appointments to select decision-makers, are weak on all three factors.

Maximum intelligence: Most decision-making requires the skilled use of reason. The expert panel process would maximize the native intelligence of the decision-makers by choosing panel members from a list of the highest scorers on a well-accepted, standard test of intelligence.

Maximum experience: The panels would maximize relevant experience by assuring that the candidates are qualified in training and experience. Some examples:

• 33 experts on food safety will advise governments on food safety policy
• 33 experts on the climate will advise governments on climate policy
• 33 experts on the economy will advise governments on economic policy
• 33 experts on civil rights will advise governments on civil rights cases

Minimum bias: Bias is the arch enemy of truth and justice. Elections and appointments of decision-makers in current governments almost guarantee partisan biases that will hinder the decision process. In the expert panel model, bias will be minimized in four ways:

1) The expert panels will not have leaders trying to emotionally influence the panelists. Members would be persuaded by reason alone.

2) Expert panelists will be selected randomly by computer from a list of qualified candidates. This avoids the biases inherent in elections and appointments.

3) Members of the panels might live anywhere in the world if they have access to the Internet. The panels would not have built-in cultural and national biases.

4) Collusion among the members could be made nearly impossible.

The Executive Panel: Only members of the top-ranked executive panel will have no specific expertise. Its members will rank among the highest in native intelligence. Their responsibility will be to see the Big Picture and identify the objectives of the sub-panels. They might then transfer their vision to lower ranking panels using brief mission statements as guidance.

Assuming success: If the decision-making of expert panels is obviously better than offered by their current government, citizens of democracies, in ever-increasing numbers, will vote for political candidates who promise to take the advice of the expert panels.

Solving disputes between individuals or nations: When negotiation fails to settle disputes, the expert panel method, when combined with binding arbitration, has the potential to solve them. For example, the United Nations might authorize a 33-member binding arbitration panel on the long-standing Israeli-Palestinian dispute. The panel members would be selected randomly by computer from a list of highly intelligent people unbiased on the issue. Their online, written discussion-debate could be followed by a world-wide audience.

I think that could work in very specific issues but not so much on a multitude of others. There are a lot of issues that don't revolve around expertise.
 
How about a few examples?

The problem is on many issues we cannot establish expertise in any objective manner. Of those you mentioned, economics, civil rights, conflict resolution as all rely heavily on subjectivities and value judgements.

The only way to judge expertise in some areas is by the judgements of other experts, and the only way to judge who the other experts are is other experts.

You always get back to the problem of "who decides who gets to be in the pool of experts" and this is where the recursive and self-perpetuating biases get into the system.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
Abortion and gun rights (or more specifically the right to own a gun) for example.
You picked the two most contentious issues in our society. Would advice from an expert panel help settle these issues? I don't know. But they both involve civil rights, and civil rights issues involve the same concepts, so expertise should produce an intelligent discussion-debate session on the topics.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
The problem is on many issues we cannot establish expertise in any objective manner. Of those you mentioned, economics, civil rights, conflict resolution as all rely heavily on subjectivities and value judgements.
Let's focus on conflict resolution, specifically my example of resolving the Palestinian/Israeli Conflict. 33 highly intelligent people, neither Jews nor Palestinians, study the history of conflict, and read the position papers of both sides. Then, they discuss-debate the issue online. Their training qualifies them as unbiased experts on the question.

Your claim is that "all rely heavily on subjectivities and value judgements." You are exaggerating the problem, but even if you're right, who cares? This is the best we can do for expertise and the panel's majority opinion will resolve the conflict.

Is there a better way?
 
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Let's focus on conflict resolution, specifically my example of resolving the Palestinian/Israeli Conflict. 33 highly intelligent people, neither Jews nor Palestinians, study the history of conflict, and read the position papers of both sides. Then, they discuss-debate the issue online. Their training qualifies them as unbiased experts on the question.

Your claim is that "all rely heavily on subjectivities and value judgements." You are exaggerating the problem, but even if you're right, who cares? This is the best we can do for expertise and the majority opinion will resolve the conflict.

Is there a better way?

Firstly no one agree to a binding arbitration by parties when they doubt the arbiters' impartiality, and it would be impossible to get both sides to agree on that.

Moreover, one side or the other (or both) would find the judgement unfair and would not stick to it. For example, why would all the diverse Palestinian fighters give up arms because some other faction agreed to an expert panel?

Secondly, there is no such thing as unbiased, the entire conflict rests on subjective value judgements, and basically all highly intelligent people in the world are aware of the conflict and have ideological preferences.

Both sides have legitimate cases that it is 'their' land, and who you side with depends on whether you value current occupancy or traditional claims or 'who is to blame' higher (and numerous other things).

Politics and International relations departments at top universities all over the world are full of highly intelligent people from diverse backgrounds and political affiliations, neither Israeli or Palestinian, well versed in the facts and they don't agree on a thing. Why would your expert panel be magically different?

Choosing from such people would be a lottery with one throw of the dice favouring the Israelis, and another perhaps the Palestinians.

Why would anyone sign up for a pot luck resolution?
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
Firstly no one agree to a binding arbitration by parties when they doubt the arbiters' impartiality, and it would be impossible to get both sides to agree on that.
The Israelis would balk because they have the upper hand as things stand. They would be forced to the table by the threat of UN sanctions and world opinion. The Palestinians have nothing to lose by participating.
Moreover, one side or the other (or both) would find the judgement unfair and would not stick to it. For example, why would all the diverse Palestinian fighters give up arms because some other faction agreed to an expert panel?
The UN military might need to keep the peace for a while but I suspect it wouldn't be necessary.
Secondly, there is no such thing as unbiased, the entire conflict rests on subjective value judgements, and basically all highly intelligent people in the world are aware of the conflict and have ideological preferences.
You're exaggerating again. Finding 33 intelligent, unbiased people out of 7 billion shouldn't be difficult.

Both sides have legitimate cases that it is 'their' land, and who you side with depends on whether you value current occupancy or traditional claims or 'who is to blame' higher (and numerous other things).
Right. It's not an easy decision.

Politics and International relations departments at top universities all over the world are full of highly intelligent people from diverse backgrounds and political affiliations, neither Israeli or Palestinian, well versed in the facts and they don't agree on a thing. Why would your expert panel be magically different?
The panel has no bail-out option. They eventually will have to vote and the majority will decide the issue.

Choosing from such people would be a lottery with one throw of the dice favouring the Israelis, and another perhaps the Palestinians.Why would anyone sign up for a pot luck resolution?
UN sanctions and world opinion will force both sides to end the conflict. The entire world would follow their arguments and the online commentary of the arbiters.
 
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The Israelis would balk because they have the upper hand as things stand. They would be forced to the table by the threat of UN sanctions and world opinion. The Palestinians have nothing to lose by participating.
The UN military might need to keep the peace for a while but I suspect it wouldn't be necessary.

Hamas, Hezbollah, the PLO and their regional sponsors have nothing to lose?

An unbiased expert panel wouldn't come up with something that far fetched ;)

You're exaggerating again. Finding 33 intelligent, unbiased people out of 7 billion shouldn't be difficult.

By what criteria would you judge someone to be unbiased?

The panel has no option. They eventually will have to vote and the majority will decide the issue.

You miss the point, unbiased experts don't agree on a thing, thus the panel would be a pot luck arbitrary judgement.

UN sanctions and world opinion will force both sides to end the conflict. The entire world would follow their arguments and the online commentary of the arbiters.

Can see all of that today and people don't agree on a thing. Just saying "but it's an expert panel!" won't change a thing.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
Hamas, Hezbollah, the PLO and their regional sponsors have nothing to lose?
"Palestinians have nothing to lose" is a general statement. Citing exceptions will not disprove general statements.
By what criteria would you judge someone to be unbiased?
You ask them questions to determine if their mind has already decided the relevant issue.

You miss the point, unbiased experts don't agree on a thing, thus the panel would be a pot luck arbitrary judgement.
You have no evidence to support that statement but let's suppose it's true. Does that mean we shouldn't put an end to the conflict?

Can see all of that today and people don't agree on a thing. Just saying "but it's an expert panel!" won't change a thing.
The panel. given UN support, would put an end to the conflict.
 
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"Palestinians have nothing to lose" is a general statement. Citing exceptions will not disprove general statements.

And if the exceptions are the 2 governing parties?

But, the idea Palestinians have nothing to lose is nonsense. They can lose everything if the judgement goes against them.

You ask them questions to determine if their mind has already decided the relevant issue.

Smart, biased people can get past questions they know are designed to check their biases.

You have no evidence to support that statement but let's suppose it's true. Does that mean we shouldn't put an end to the conflict?

If there is no evidence, present the consensus view of unbiased experts.... I'll wait.

Anyway, "we" have no ability to end the conflict. That is on those who are perpetuating it.

The panel. given UN support, will put an end to the conflict.

That's remarkably naive for reasons previously mentioned. You need to get both sides to buy in first, which they won't for some pot luck arbitration that they don't trust to be impartial.

Wishful thinking won't help you convince them it's really fair and unbiased.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
But, the idea Palestinians have nothing to lose is nonsense. They can lose everything if the judgement goes against them.
When a conflict goes on for years, and negotiations fail, there's only one explanation: one side has the upper hand and won't voluntarily relinquish it. The Palestinians aren't stupid. If they see a chance to have the conflict settled fairly, they will jump at it.

Smart, biased people can get past questions they know are designed to check their biases.
And you're worried that 33 highly intelligent people, favoring one side, will lie their way onto the panel?:rolleyes:

If there is no evidence, present the consensus view of unbiased experts.... I'll wait.
Wait for what? I have no idea how the conflict would be resolved.

Anyway, "we" have no ability to end the conflict. That is on those who are perpetuating it.
No, they have proven incapable of ending on their own. That's why the concept of binding arbitration enforced by the UN is appropriate solution.

That's remarkably naive for reasons previously mentioned. You need to get both sides to buy in first, which they won't for some pot luck arbitration that they don't trust to be impartial.
Both sides will "buy in" because neither will have much of an option. Israel stands to lose their advantage, but they will lose more if they don't participate. The binding arbitration process can proceed without their participation and not participating would cost them dearly.
 
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