This is what makes debating philosophy a headache. Almost every viewpoint is relatively true.
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Such a beautiful voice.
What about religious truth?
How about faith in the truth?
If the truth is never judged and was observed through the eyes of obedient angels who took it as if from the absolute father.
How do we know that absolute truth cannot be known? Is Nirvana a myth? Is enlightenment a myth?
I'd assume that truth in its absolute form can not be to its full degree communicated orally but only experienced through the full sensory apparatus of the human physiology.
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True and truth are both relational concepts. I really don't understand how you can associate "absolute" with true or truth, except perhaps when it gets to the point that words fail. Even then, it does not mean there is nothing beyond words, so "absolute" is deceptive in that respect. (In the sense that it implies "nothing to see here folks, move along.")Was hoping to have a serious agrument but seems people would rather play games, post nonsense. True and Truth are completely different words.
Your definition of Truth has nothing to do with Truth but of the word "true" which has to do with the correction of misaligned wheels on a grocery cart. sigh...
If your description of the reality is misaligned, then it isn't true.Was hoping to have a serious agrument but seems people would rather play games, post nonsense. True and Truth are completely different words.
Your definition of Truth has nothing to do with Truth but of the word "true" which has to do with the correction of misaligned wheels on a grocery cart. sigh...
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Uh-oh! Facts never change; truth is determined by facts and changes accordingly. Everyone has to find their own truth.
Truth is the truth, it never changes therefore it is absolute.
Do you understand that this is the equivalent of stating everything is absolutely relativistic?
PureX
Veteran Member
It's all about faith, not "truth". The truth of faith is that it works. We know this because it works. We believe in whatever ideas and ideals work for us, because they work for us. We call those ideals "the truth", when in fact they are just ideas and ideals that we hold as being true, because they work for us.
PureX
Veteran Member
The truth is "what is". And "what is", is always changing.
Facts represent the truth.
Yes. The mind cannot understand the laws of God, but only obey. The reason for this is because Gods natural laws exist outside the material plane of existence.
The nature of Truth never changes, only our minds outlook on it does . There is a way to grab it with my hands. There must be.
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The best I can make of life, the universe and everything, on what I presently know, includes
That materialism ─ the view that the only entities and processes that exist are those acknowledged by the physical sciences from time to time ─ is the most coherent and useful evidence-based view, though the reductionism it implies remains a substantial problem ie a work in progress. It provides, for example, an objective test for 'truth', defined as correspondence with (objective) reality, even though changes in eg scientific understanding mean that truth changes.
That there are no absolutes outside this sentence.
That human life is explained by biology and by the overarching theory of evolution. We can live on earth, flourish at 1g, breath oxygen, survive by eating the biology of our environment, reproduce, because we've evolved to do so, and so on. If we lived on a planet where our trace elements existed either in great abundance or inaccessibly, we'd die either from overdose or lack. We're finetuned to Earth.
That evolution has provided the basic purposes of human life, which are to survive long enough to breed (and after seeing your offspring to independence, then incidentally to survive longer so as to provide wisdom to the younglings of your tribe or to play model trains in the attic).
There's probably more, but that's the outline.
No, as I said, truth isn't absolute. It's our best understanding of reality for the time being. For example, at various times it's been true that the world was flat and the sun went round it, that fire was the manifestation of phlogiston, that light was mediated by the lumeniferous ether, &c, and now it isn't. It wasn't true that the Higgs boson is real until its existence was confirmed to the satisfaction of scientists expert in that field, and after that it was true. In a hundred years, a lot of things that are true now won't be.
PureX
Veteran Member
Our mind's view is all we have. Sorry.
Living in a pure open state could give us absolute truth.
Thinking Homer
Understanding and challenging different worldviews
By definition, truth is exclusive. If a statement becomes relative, that is no longer the truth, that's an opinion. Yes, the map is only a reflection of the territory, but you can get poorly drawn maps, or just plain bad ones.
Never trust anyone over 30 they are all clueless idiots.. Trust me i am an expert i am over 30..
Thinking Homer
Understanding and challenging different worldviews
Maybe go with the guy that made the boldest claim?
'Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. ' John 14:6