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Genesis 3: A height of Blasphemy; a hoary lie.

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    This is continuation of our study; a deeper look into the events of the Garden of Eden.

    in Genesis 3, it is written:

    And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    Yet, in Genesis 1 it is written:

    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    And we read what this means, in the life of Jesus His Pre-Eminence, who had dominion over the sea, and over the air, and over the earth. HE commanded the winds, and seas; the earth was completely subservient to HIM.

    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Genesis 1:27 Sealed it: In the image of GOD HE created he him; male and female HE created he them

    And if you look into Genesis 2 you will read:

    16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    If you look at these verses in correspendence with the other; the bold with the bold, and underlined with the underlined, and are honest in your study, you will be able to see something that the brain when reading genesis 1-3 will not highlight for you as you read.

    Genesis 1:26 states that Man was made in HIS image, and after HIS likeness. This is a very serious statement. The Angels, Cherubim and Seraphim were not made in HIS image, and after HIS likeness. But yet they do not lack free will, nor the ability to love, nor immortality. So this was not speaking about character only, but the look, the prototype in image description of the GOD; the Prototype of of HIS image.

    Then if you read Genesis 3 it states: Now Man has become as one of us, knowing good and evil - A blatant lie, and contradiction to HIS first declaration that Man was in the image and after the likeness of GOD then.

    Also if you look at Genesis 2, you will see GOD cautioned them about a eating a certain fruit from a certain tree that would cause death.

    HE didn't tell them that if they eat of it they will now have the knowledge of both good and evil; HE told them that they would die. So in the way this story was written, the Serpent knew the Mind of GOD, and the truth about the tree that GOD hid from Man - A height of Blasphemy.

    So the natural assumption is that if they didn't eat from it, they would not die.Thus, GOD wanted Father Adam, and Mother Eve to live forever, not live for a time, and then die. Just as the Cherubim, Seraphim and Angels are immortals and cannot die; its impossible for them to die.

    And the proof is that Man; Father Adam, and Mother Eve, still lived 930 years outside the Garden. This is the same GOD that we heard of, that is all forgiving, the same GOD that we read that is the All Loving GOD; GOD is love is how it was written. The same GOD that does not fosake any, after saying it was very Good that HE made Man, HE now bannished them from Eden.

    This is the Infallable GOD speaking; who cannot speak a lie, nor can HE be taken unnawares; HE is all knowing; all seeing; the omniscient GOD; the Omnipresent GOD.

    Then in Genesis 3, we read that GOD did not want Man to live forever, after they were now like HIM in the fall; to know good and evil.

    This is saying that GOD is also in a fallen state!

    This is a contradiction, and a height of Blasphemy against the Most Holy Character of GOD.

    Questions to discuss:

    1. If Man was like HIM when HE made Man, then how can Man be like HIM after the fall has happened?

    2. Why wasn't there anything said about the serpent being kicked out of the Garden? They said Man was kicked out, yet the serpent got to stay?

    Then in Revelation chapters, we read about "that old serpent", hearkening back to that Genesis story about the Serpent and Mother Eve.

    3. To be like GOD, Man needs to be incapable of dying; so how is it that HE now wants them to not live forever?

    yet, Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached the Gospel of Ever lasting life.

    Enjoy everyone, lets look into this together.
     
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    God had forgiven them at this point? 3:21, God made them clothing and dressed them himself.
    It can't be in the garden. It follows Adam and Eve in order to bite them on the heel. Where they go; it goes.
     
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    But the point is, it wasn't kicked out of the Garden and was still alive in revelation chapters
     
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    Where did it say HE had forgiven them, yet still withheld life from them, and still bannished them from the garden?

    But the point is, they wrote HE said that now man has become as one of us, contradicting genesis 1:26
     
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    Perhaps they became even more like Him?
    Being like someone or something doesn't have to mean being its exact replica, especially when talking about something infinite like God.

    The focus of the stories from the Bible is on mankind and their relationship with God.
    Whether the serpent was left behind or not is not really relevant IMO, though such a question make an interesting discussion for those who care about it.

    More awareness doesn't necessarily mean a better quality of life.
    They had to learn to live with the consequences of their newfound knowledge.
     
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    Adam and Eve were banished; the serpent is cursed and crushed. What's the significance of not being banished? Is the curse not enough?
    When God clothed them, I read it as reconciliation. But I could be wrong.

    Apologies if I'm still missing the point.
    It's not a harsh contradiction for me. They have a resemblance at the end of Gen 1, and they became more similar in Gen 3.
     
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    The thing is, GOD is the Most Righteous Judge. The Fact that it wasn't written that the serpent was cast out, is something that has not been right. if indeed the Serpent caused the fall, as it was written, it definitely should have been cast out - if it was simply a walk out of the Garden.

    But the significance of it is there, which is in Revelation chapters, when they wrote the serpent is still alive - indeed, that is significant.

    how can Man become more like GOD in the fall? Genesis 1:26-27 makes its clear they already in HIS image (one) and after HIS likeness (two).

    Its really fine if you are not seeing it, thank you for your contributions to the discussion.
     
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    Can the serpent been the representation of Adam and eve`s ego? and when they fall and was out of the garden their ego was with them and not remained in the garden?
     
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    No, the serpent is a Seraph, an immortal being.
     
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    Ah. Not so fast... In Genesis it's a Nahash.
     
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    Why would a form of Angel trick Adam and Eve to do wrong?
    Seraph work for God isn`t it?
     
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    Seraphim are not forms of Angels. Lucifer is a cherub. Neither are angels or form of angels; rather they are a race of their own, superior to angels.
     
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    when dare you show the truth to people? and they are condemned already, and that they took away the words or added them, but they write about it there and that the oldest translations have to come on the beast? they probably forgot to tell you during translations in which the fools thought that the truth would not come into play we are currently somewhere by the sea who knows how it will turn out because it is written that if they do not reveal the truth, worse and worse disasters will follow and the priests are not written there nicely, for example, that they stole property and debt the same and what you see on the surface is just a lie Did you know that Lazarus means no name? however, the whole thing is about meanings if it is not worth studying, you better give up because you will be judged according to your own books but he is not mistaken because the bride will prevent you (that is, the unfaithful church)


    Generally people do not even try to understand these 6,000 years is not about creation
    but about the future of how to believe the Jews and remember that with God one day is one year and vice versa
    Imagine simply that the version sounds and the woman (church) forced the man to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge? what is fruit it is a word, according to him, to know good and evil
    as for the man, it is said that he is simply a human being (all people) and the snake is the smartest creature that had fruit to protect, that is what rabbis and others did not tell you
    according to the prophecy he will come to whom everyone is waiting and they will be surprised that he will be told what they did not know
    therefore, there is still a secret doctrine about this (we will call it an open book) or a seal where there is another truth
    the prophet mohamed, for example, said that all the sons who would rule over him were only false, he did not tell anyone like that
    and as for Iman Mahdi, I will be happy to reveal many years of my studies so that you can laugh or cry about the absurd thing.
    in general (the book is sealed) so you see nothing but the outside and God has deceived them all in her own religion and there is a future (and it is said that his servant was blind) so that he did not know the essence of what he said but God led him
    Isaiah and no, I'm not mistaken
    there is also talk of a head (Isaiah 9:14 The old man and the noble are the head, and the prophet teaching deception is the tail.) According to the Apocryphus, Jesus himself said so.
    and the head is cut off (Genesis 3:15) I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. It will crush your head, and you will crush his heel. ") What does that mean?
    between the church and between the mother and her mother) it will crush John and you will crush his heel? what is heel I don't know
    but aren't other religions far from the truth? Do you know how they say they see who they stabbed?
    or too, and they put an inscription over his head so that simply what Islam claims could not only be true and John was crucified there (even he himself claims that he will return and restore everything right?
    and the same says the new law, I will tell you one more peculiarity, and it has been said that you will save 3 days and will not understand it? it was talked about pism
    for in three days I will understand (three days or three thousand years (if the cell or part knows who)
    and one more embarrassing and final announcement
    Do you know how it is said everywhere that the law comes from Zion? Or a Christian prophecy of 144,000
    I'll tell you what I've been looking for for a long time and studied mathematics as well as other things
    for example, some words are simply cipher
    look at the example
    1 a j
    2 b k
    3 c l
    4 d
    5 e
    6f
    7 g
    8 h
    9 i
    this is how one of those codes works
    and do you know what is even more an insult to Christian? that it's not even worth studying the fonts? yes, I blame the Christian himself as well as myself for it
    as for understanding the long speculating designation of the beast I will reveal to you (I say it's not me) and I don't have such a name
    So if you really want to know that we know the beast number
    there are a total of two ways to arrive at a number
    one is 666 +84 the other 144 (no zeros correct)
    and this is the greatest disgrace to humans that God has made (as he says, he laughs at him because of the rebelliousness of her
    correctly
    now we've done a few things about numbers and now again to clarify the number
    Revelation 14: 3 They sang a new song before the throne, before the four beasts, and before the elders. No one was able to learn that song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand of the inhabitants of the land who were redeemed.
    here is a disgrace in those old men and 4 creatures
    (The old man is twenty and four and 4 beings (human)
    tested thousands and many different words up to the German name was found
    the first is
    Zion Altma 666 + 20 * 4 +4 84 (750) maybe that's why the beast was marked as seven heads and ten horns
    (exactly Alt known to the Old and Being Man (or people)
    and now you get to the mathematics to 144 so that simply Z is 1 and we continue to put from behind
    and the number 666 to da if you count A as 6
    and that blasphemy on my head? who said they didn't blaspheme him?

    PS ( calculate beast ( A 6 ( delete N (666) and calcul Z1 ( delete Z )
     
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    would be very happy to have an in depth conversation about this with you. These questions were designed to encourage people to look into it, but I have the revelations about this, and I'd be happy to share them with you.

    The fact that you understand that Mother Eve represents the church makes me very happy. A lot do not know this. Truly, Zion is separate from the world and is the place where GOD will rain revelations by the mouth of Elijah, who is sent to restore all things! Let us have a real conversation. I'm excited!
     
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    It is a spiritual name given to the Seraph whose subtle insurgence into the Garden of Eden resulted in befriending Mother Eve (the Seraph actually fake worshipped her) and had alterior motives.
    Lucifer and cohorts are Cherubim and Seraphim. They are not angels. They are their own race; Cherubim being the Masculine, and Seraphim the Feminine. Their Definition in this earth is in the Caucasians, who seeked to dominate the world, exploring and killing off the natives in the lands they found, then claiming that land for themselves. This is what Lucifer and Cohorts did before the fall.

    The following is the story of Naboth and his vineyard. Notice there is Jezebel, and Ahab? Naboth is in the shoes of Adam, His Vineyard is the earth, Jezebel the Serpent, and Ahab is in the shoes of lucifer.

    21 And it came to pass after these things, that Naboth the Jezreelite had a vineyard, which was in Jezreel, hard by the palace of Ahab king of Samaria.

    2 And Ahab spake unto Naboth, saying, Give me thy vineyard, that I may have it for a garden of herbs, because it is near unto my house: and I will give thee for it a better vineyard than it; or, if it seem good to thee, I will give thee the worth of it in money.

    3 And Naboth said to Ahab, The Lord forbid it me, that I should give the inheritance of my fathers unto thee.

    4 And Ahab came into his house heavy and displeased because of the word which Naboth the Jezreelite had spoken to him: for he had said, I will not give thee the inheritance of my fathers. And he laid him down upon his bed, and turned away his face, and would eat no bread.

    5 But Jezebel his wife came to him, and said unto him, Why is thy spirit so sad, that thou eatest no bread?

    6 And he said unto her, Because I spake unto Naboth the Jezreelite, and said unto him, Give me thy vineyard for money; or else, if it please thee, I will give thee another vineyard for it: and he answered, I will not give thee my vineyard.

    7 And Jezebel his wife said unto him, Dost thou now govern the kingdom of Israel? arise, and eat bread, and let thine heart be merry: I will give thee the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite.

    8 So she wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters unto the elders and to the nobles that were in his city, dwelling with Naboth.

    9 And she wrote in the letters, saying, Proclaim a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people:

    10 And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die.

    11 And the men of his city, even the elders and the nobles who were the inhabitants in his city, did as Jezebel had sent unto them, and as it was written in the letters which she had sent unto them.

    12 They proclaimed a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people.

    13 And there came in two men, children of Belial, and sat before him: and the men of Belial witnessed against him, even against Naboth, in the presence of the people, saying, Naboth did blaspheme God and the king. Then they carried him forth out of the city, and stoned him with stones, that he died.

    14 Then they sent to Jezebel, saying, Naboth is stoned, and is dead.

    15 And it came to pass, when Jezebel heard that Naboth was stoned, and was dead, that Jezebel said to Ahab, Arise, take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, which he refused to give thee for money: for Naboth is not alive, but dead.

    16 And it came to pass, when Ahab heard that Naboth was dead, that Ahab rose up to go down to the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, to take possession of it.


    Notice that in Daniel, Hidakel is mentioned in Chapter 10? And if you are good student of the bible, you will see his words are very similar to that of the book of Revelation:

    Daniel 10
    And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which is Hiddekel; 5Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: 6His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. 7And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. 8Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. 9Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.

    Revelation 1:
    12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

    13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

    14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

    15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.


    This reveals that what Daniel saw is the Celestial heavens. And HIddakel was mentioned; called a river. Yet,. there is no liquid waters in Heaven.

    Rev 22
    And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

    Rev 21
    And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    The waters in Heaven are in their perfect state, and that state is crystal waters. Its not liquid, that can evaporate, or solid that can melt; the fact that it can be changed from what it is, is a proof its not perfect. So Hiddakel mentioned is not a river like we have rivers.

    What Hiddakel is, is an air route.The 4 Great Rivers written in Genesis, Pison, Gihon, Euphrates and Hiddakel, are the 4 Great Air routes in the Celestial realm, that link the heavens worlds, one to another. This was coded in the bible. Havilah heaven is the heavens world for the cherubim and Seraphim, Philadelphia is the heavens words for angels which are 5 in total. And Eden, the firmament, and the earth are for Mankind.

    The reason for coding, is so that the message cannot be poached by a hireling; that is to say the one who goes into church minstry as a lucrative business, who were never called to preach and deceive the people by preaching from the bible; deceive them into thinking that the person was truly called into ministry, yet the man has no revelations, has no knowledge of heaven, of the Son of GOD or the Son of Man. They are treacherous wolves, that salivate.

    They have no revelations (I was hungry and you didin't feed me), Waters of life (I was thirsty and you gave me no water to drink (which happened on the cross), i was naked and you didin't clothe me, and so on - this is for these false preachers for the last 2000+ years.

    So GOD sealed HIS Word so that only Prophets can decipher and accurately interpret the Logos, teachings from GOD directly that was given him to feed the children of the kingdom; the fold that is in the earth at that time. So there is alot written that was coded,. and this is one of them.

    Interestingly enough, this reveals Eden is a Heavens world. So the fall truly was a fall, from heaven to the terrestrial earth.The Ladder that Jacob was privelleged to see, was the River Euphrates, which is the Air route that links this earth with the Celestial. It is the only entrance and exit into and out of this earth for those that are not Mankind that were born in the earth through a woman. Truly, we came into this earth through the door, the womb of the woman. While Angels came in via the air route Euphrates.

    So Eden is a heavens world. And the Seraph was sent by lucifer and cohorts, to find out as much as she can and report back to them. And Mother Eve actually taught her alot. I will stop here because these Revelations are not the kind to share publically. They are my most precious possession,

    The proof is in the three Major Ethinic Groups in the earth:
    Shem the Father of Asians, Japheth the father of the Caucasians, and Ham, the father of the Africans. And you can virtually see for yourself, what Noah said concerning these three has come to pass. These three are defining the races in heaven: Shem deifning the Angels, Japheth the Cherubim and Seraphim, and Ham is defining Mankind. That is why Africa is where the terrestrial earth is at its worst. And why they have suffered, and seem to be worse of than the others.

    So it was not a snake, which is why Revelation chapters said: That Old Serpent, pointing to the fact that she is still alive. Thus she is an immortal being, a tare seraph. Lucfier is a tare cherub. Mankind, Father Adam and Mother Eve were in Eden, the 3rd heaven which saul spoke of; and the kind of body they had was the perfect kind, with no blood in it:

    This is bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh. (No mention of blood).

    Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence said:
    Touch me, a ghost has not flesh and bone like you see me have.

    Now you know HE resurrected, so the body HE had was different.

    Thus, Mankind Adam, the Son of GOD, did a great work in the Garden of Eden, and truly as GOD said, Mother Eve was help meet for him. For she is the Eve of the destruction of lucifer and cohorts; The Serpent was actually the deceived. They were sieved out of heaven, having manifested their true nature, and are without excuse. She is truly a Model Type of the Son of GOD, Adam His Eminence.
     
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    Thank you, I will contact you some time this week. much Appreciated !
     
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    Equating nahash with seraph is, imo, is not supported by what's written. You have objected to some of my ideas because they were not written explicitly. I'm objecting to this.
     
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    You can object thats fine, but explain why it was called "old serpent" in Revelation chapters, if it is a talking snake.

    In Isaiah 6:2-6

    Its in Isaiah 30:6, its in numbers 21...

    You can believe its a talking snake, but I know its a Seraph.
     
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    I don't know revelations or its source. So, I don't know. I'll look at it and get back to you.
    The seraphim are in Ezekial too.
     
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