Genesis 3:15, the Lady who crushed the serpent's head

[Estro Felino]

I am not saying the Catholic interpretation is the right one. But it is rightful it is mentioned, together with other ones.
The Lady who crushed the head of the Evil, Satan, the Serpent, the dragon is Mary.

Because of the Immaculate Conception. She was conceived without the original sin, which is an allegory of the evil that taints human nature.
Which can be redeemed from evil. And can resurrect from Evil. Mary was the first human being to realize this. And was a woman.

She is portrayed while she crushes the serpent's head with her own foot, killing him.

 

[Brian2]

I am not saying the Catholic interpretation is the right one. But it is rightful it is mentioned, together with other ones.
The Lady who crushed the head of the Evil, Satan, the Serpent, the dragon is Mary.

Because of the Immaculate Conception. She was conceived without the original sin, which is an allegory of the evil that taints human nature.
Which can be redeemed from evil. And can resurrect from Evil. Mary was the first human being to realize this. And was a woman.

She is portrayed while she crushes the serpent's head with her own foot, killing him.

I remember as a kid seeing statues of Mary standing on the world with her little bare foot on the head of a snake.
mary with foot on snake head - Google Search

The immaculate conception is one of those things that Catholicism has added to the things that a Catholic must believe (ex cathedra statement).

 

[Estro Felino]

The immaculate conception is one of those things that Catholicism has added to the things that a Catholic must believe (ex cathedra statement).

Entirely taken from the Protovangelium of James, an apocryphal gospel.

 

[Colt]

Genesis 3:15
The text in Greek is:

καὶ ἔχθραν θήσω ἀνὰ μέσον σοῦ καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τῆς γυναικὸς καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ σπέρματός σου καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ σπέρματος αὐτῆς· αὐτός σου τηρήσει κεφαλήν, καὶ σὺ τηρήσεις αὐτοῦ πτέρναν.

that is: I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your descendance and her descendance. Her descendance (her offspring) will watch against your head and you will watch against her offspring's heel.

The Greek term used here implies that another woman, that is, the woman who descended from Eve will threaten to harm the serpent's head (probably with her own foot).

How do you interpret this verse?

IMOP Eve had sex with Cains real Father, a Nodite. It was part of the plan of the "Crafty beast" to cause a default or "sin" which caused the failure of the Adamic mission on our previously fallen world.

His seed were the pure line children that Adam and Eve conceived. Her seed were the descendants of Cain. going forward the two groups often battled.

Cain was Abels 1/2 brother an a constant reminder of the situation. Abels taunting of Cain finally came to a head. It was decided that it would be best if Cain left the garden in search of his true father's people in the land of Nod. He did and found a wife.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Genesis 3:15
The text in Greek is:

καὶ ἔχθραν θήσω ἀνὰ μέσον σοῦ καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τῆς γυναικὸς καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ σπέρματός σου καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ σπέρματος αὐτῆς· αὐτός σου τηρήσει κεφαλήν, καὶ σὺ τηρήσεις αὐτοῦ πτέρναν.

that is: I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your descendance and her descendance. Her descendance (her offspring) will watch against your head and you will watch against her offspring's heel.

The Greek term used here implies that another woman, that is, the woman who descended from Eve will threaten to harm the serpent's head (probably with her own foot).

How do you interpret this verse?

Women will freak out and stomp on snakes.

 

[Estro Felino]

Eve had sex with Cains real Father, a Nodite. It was part of the plan of the "Crafty beast" to cause a default or "sin" which caused the failure of the Adamic mission on our previously fallen world.

His seed were the pure line children that Adam and Eve conceived. Her seed were the descendants of Cian. going forward the two groups often battled.

I have read about this interpretation that is very common among some Hebrew Biblists.

 

[Colt]

I have read about this interpretation that is very common among some Hebrew Biblists.

Seems like eating fruit shouldn't alter the course of history. And considering that it brought biological consequences to Eves descendants (pains of childbirth) prolly some genetic stuff going on there.


Gen 3:16 To the woman He said:

“I will sharply increase your pain in childbirth;

in pain you will bring forth children.

 

[Estro Felino]

Seems like eating fruit shouldn't alter the course of history. And considering that it brought biological consequences to Eves descendants (pains of childbirth) prolly some genetic stuff going on there.


Gen 3:16 To the woman He said:

“I will sharply increase your pain in childbirth;

in pain you will bring forth children.

Abel was Adam's son, then.
That verse explains why Cain killed Abel.

 

[Joshua Pryce]

that is: I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your descendance and her descendance. Her descendance (her offspring) will watch against your head and you will watch against her offspring's heel.

What is the head, the main function of the body, what is the heel, the support system of the body. If the head fails its because of death or sleep. If the heel fails, the whole body suffers because of not being able to move ahead on foot. Its also a huge problem mentally.
What this means theologically is that the people of the world and satan will not overpower the mindset of true believers. But doubting believers and weak in faith in the true God will lose and be subjected to the devil and his children. The worldly folk. Strong believers of God overpower the influence and problems of the children of darkness. We are more than over-comers.

 

[Eli G]

In the NT a part of the woman's offspring is identified:

Rom. 16:20 For his part, the God who gives peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. May the undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus be with you.

Paul tells his first century anointed brethren in Rome that they were about to defeat Satan with God's help... This indicates that God's anointed with Christ as head are the offspring spoken of in Gen. 3:15.

We can see the same imagery in Rev. 12:

Rev. 12:1 Then a great sign was seen in heaven: A woman was arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of 12 stars, 2 and she was pregnant. And she was crying out in her pains and in her agony to give birth.
3 Another sign was seen in heaven. Look! A great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and on its heads seven diadems; 4 and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she did give birth, it might devour her child.
5 And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away to God and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.
7 And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”
13 Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent spewed out water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river. 16 But the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon spewed out from its mouth. 17 So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.

It is evident to me that this WOMAN is the same one who is talked about in Gen. 3:15 and that her offspring is Jesus resurrected in glory with the whole power God gave to him. His brothers on earth are victims of Satan as it can be seen there, and when they join him at the moment of their death and resurrection, they will be part of the ones who finally destroy Satan, the enemy who caused them all troubles while they were serving God on earth.

The WOMAN is the heavenly loyal family of God with all her children: the sons of God.

Gal. 4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

Heb. 12:22 But you have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels 23 in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, 24 and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprinkled blood, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s blood.

 

[Mark La Buda]

Genesis 3:15
The text in Greek is:

καὶ ἔχθραν θήσω ἀνὰ μέσον σοῦ καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τῆς γυναικὸς καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ σπέρματός σου καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ σπέρματος αὐτῆς· αὐτός σου τηρήσει κεφαλήν, καὶ σὺ τηρήσεις αὐτοῦ πτέρναν.

that is: I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your descendance and her descendance. Her descendance (her offspring) will watch against your head and you will watch against her offspring's heel.

The Greek term used here implies that another woman, that is, the woman who descended from Eve will threaten to harm the serpent's head (probably with her own foot).

How do you interpret this verse?

This scripture-like many others-were prophetic. The literary use of metaphor and similes-in the Bible-are very common.

This prophesy, at Genesis 3:15, is a very complicated scripture to discuss in this manner. It was, however, not fulfilled until thousands of years had passed. God was talking to Satan. The “woman” is referring to the birth of God’s new heavenly arrangement with Jesus appointed as king.-Galatians 4:26; Revelation11:15; 12:1-6.

 

[Sargonski]

one last thought. jesus referred to the pharisees as a brood of adders. but he also told his disciples to be wise as serpents and as innocent as doves.


so wisdom in ancient times was associated with the idea of the serpent.

all around the world, serpents were symbols of wisdom.

naas. ireland

the naassene


Symbolism of the Serpent

Yes ... and what do we call these Serpents ... bearers of Wisdom .. if not Dragons.. and who better to fight a Dragon .. than another Dragon.. at least Two of whome we have in the Garden .. the Primordial Chaos Dragon .. and this other God who represents the somewhat orderly side of the Equation --

The Serpent is Tiamat --- Don't know who the name of the other God is though ..

 

[Sargonski]

Of course. The Christian hermeneutics has surely influenced the Vulgate and the Greek Septuagint whose ultimate versions have been written by Christians and for Christians.
Us Christians think the serpent is Satan. Evil.

Speak for YOU-Christians ... not US Christians. The Serpent is Definitely not Satan -- not to the Israelites -- that is for certain. The Satan of the OT --- does not act outside the Will of God and is subordinate to God .. carries out God's will. In Job Satan is depicted as one of the Sons of God .. a member of the Divine Pantheon ... whose job is that of a testor of humans .. with God-like powers.

 

[2ndpillar]

I am not saying the Catholic interpretation is the right one. But it is rightful it is mentioned, together with other ones.
The Lady who crushed the head of the Evil, Satan, the Serpent, the dragon is Mary.

Because of the Immaculate Conception. She was conceived without the original sin, which is an allegory of the evil that taints human nature.
Which can be redeemed from evil. And can resurrect from Evil. Mary was the first human being to realize this. And was a woman.

She is portrayed while she crushes the serpent's head with her own foot, killing him.

Not that you got the gist of Genesis 3:15, whereas "He shall bruise" the "serpent on the head", but apparently, the "serpent"/"devil"/"dragon" (Revelation 20:2) is alive and well. (Revelation 13:4)

New King James Version Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”

King James Bible Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 

[2ndpillar]

Speak for YOU-Christians ... not US Christians. The Serpent is Definitely not Satan -- not to the Israelites -- that is for certain. The Satan of the OT --- does not act outside the Will of God and is subordinate to God .. carries out God's will. In Job Satan is depicted as one of the Sons of God .. a member of the Divine Pantheon ... whose job is that of a testor of humans .. with God-like powers.

You fail to realize that the "Word of God", the Law and the prophets, is the will of God, and that will is that the kingdoms of the nations will rule and bring judgment upon Judah and Ephraim, until they are taken down by the "stone cut out of the mountain" (Daniel 2:45). In the enterprise of the kingdoms bringing judgment upon Judah and Ephraim (Hosea 5), it is the sons of God, which included Satan, and the sons of the heavenly watchers, produced from the "daughters of men", called the men of "renown", whose demon spirits, according to the book of Enoch, still produce havoc on earth, and lead the leaders of men. And the "serpent" had the powers of persuasion as with respect to Eve, as the "serpent" is the "devil" and the father of lies, and with respect to Job, power over the state of men within the boundaries of staying within the parameters of the will of God. In the "end", the coming time of the "distress of Jacob", which is within the purpose of God, the nations will be "destroyed" (Jeremiah 30:7-11), and the "serpent" of Genesis will be "punished" (Is 27:1) The job of the nations, who were under the power of the serpent, was to bring judgment upon Judah and Ephraim, not to be a "testor of humans". The furnace of fire will be the refiner of the Levites (Malachi 3:1-3), and after 2/3 of sheep are killed (Zech 13:8), the Levites will be refined, not tested. And according to Ezekiel 34:1-16, the "fat" sheep, the "shepherds" of Israel, who eat the fat of the flock, and do not heal or feed the sheep, will be the first to be "destroyed".

Malachi 3:1“Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming,” says the LORD of hosts. 2“But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap. 3“He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the LORD offerings in righteousness. 4“Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in the days of old and as in former years.

Zechariah 13:8 And in all the land, declares the LORD, two-thirds will be cut off and perish, but a third will be left in it. In the whole land,” declares the LORD, “two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it. Two-thirds of the people in the land will be cut off and die,” says the LORD.

 

[Sargonski]

You fail to realize that the "Word of God", the Law and the prophets, is the will of God, and that will is that the kingdoms of the nations will rule and bring judgment upon Judah and Ephraim, until they are taken down by the "stone cut out of the mountain" (Daniel 2:45). In the enterprise of the kingdoms bringing judgment upon Judah and Ephraim (Hosea 5), it is the sons of God, which included Satan, and the sons of the heavenly watchers, produced from the "daughters of men", called the men of "renown", whose demon spirits, according to the book of Enoch, still produce havoc on earth, and lead the leaders of men. And the "serpent" had the powers of persuasion as with respect to Eve, as the "serpent" is the "devil" and the father of lies, and with respect to Job, power over the state of men within the boundaries of staying within the parameters of the will of God. In the "end", the coming time of the "distress of Jacob", which is within the purpose of God, the nations will be "destroyed" (Jeremiah 30:7-11), and the "serpent" of Genesis will be "punished" (Is 27:1) The job of the nations, who were under the power of the serpent, was to bring judgment upon Judah and Ephraim, not to be a "testor of humans". The furnace of fire will be the refiner of the Levites (Malachi 3:1-3), and after 2/3 of sheep are killed (Zech 13:8), the Levites will be refined, not tested. And according to Ezekiel 34:1-16, the "fat" sheep, the "shepherds" of Israel, who eat the fat of the flock, and do not heal or feed the sheep, will be the first to be "destroyed".

Malachi 3:1“Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming,” says the LORD of hosts. 2“But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap. 3“He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the LORD offerings in righteousness. 4“Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in the days of old and as in former years.

Zechariah 13:8 And in all the land, declares the LORD, two-thirds will be cut off and perish, but a third will be left in it. In the whole land,” declares the LORD, “two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it. Two-thirds of the people in the land will be cut off and die,” says the LORD.

Cutting and pasting a bunch of unrelated scripture that tell us nothing about Satan or the Serpent in the garden is not helpful.

The only passage you cite that mentions Leviathan (the Sea Serpent) is Isaiah 27 tells us what I already told you ... That the Serpent in the Garden is the Primordial God of Chaos ... "Tiamat" Which is not Satan. Satan is not Leviathan ---- not the Serpent in the Garden

Also .. you do not address the question of the identity of the the other God in the Garden .. What is the name of this God - the one that throws the Adam and Eve out ?

 

[Brickjectivity]

I am not saying the Catholic interpretation is the right one. But it is rightful it is mentioned, together with other ones.
The Lady who crushed the head of the Evil, Satan, the Serpent, the dragon is Mary.

Because of the Immaculate Conception. She was conceived without the original sin, which is an allegory of the evil that taints human nature.
Which can be redeemed from evil. And can resurrect from Evil. Mary was the first human being to realize this. And was a woman.

She is portrayed while she crushes the serpent's head with her own foot, killing him.

That is interesting to hear, too. Mary as the one to crush the serpent? I have not even thought of this before. Its sad that I am such a noob though I am nearly 50. I always feel like everything is getting overturned. I learn one thing, and then it turns inside-out.

So Mary realizes it first. Maybe that observation comes from Mary's prophecy in Luke 1:46-56, or even if it doesn't come from there it certainly enhances its reading. Here is Mary, speaking in past tense, about things which we are still waiting for. She sees them far off in the future.

 

[2ndpillar]

Cutting and pasting a bunch of unrelated scripture that tell us nothing about Satan or the Serpent in the garden is not helpful.

The only passage you cite that mentions Leviathan (the Sea Serpent) is Isaiah 27 tells us what I already told you ... That the Serpent in the Garden is the Primordial God of Chaos ... "Tiamat" Which is not Satan. Satan is not Leviathan ---- not the Serpent in the Garden

Also .. you do not address the question of the identity of the the other God in the Garden .. What is the name of this God - the one that throws the Adam and Eve out ?

Genesis 3:23 therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.

 

[2ndpillar]

I remember as a kid seeing statues of Mary standing on the world with her little bare foot on the head of a snake.
mary with foot on snake head - Google Search

The immaculate conception is one of those things that Catholicism has added to the things that a Catholic must believe (ex cathedra statement).

She/they must be a transgender, because it was a "He" that had their/them foot on the head of the snake.

New King James Version Genesis 3;15
And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”

 

[Sargonski]

Genesis 3:23 therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.

What does A&E being sent out of the Garden have to do with the identity of our friend "The Serpent" in the Garden of Eden ? and the identity of the Other God in the Garden.. ?