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Genesis 2

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by dgirl1986, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    Yep!.....glad you liked it.

    What's wrong are the pictures too historical?
     
  2. outhouse

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    Some people do not get a credible say so because they have opposing faith, never bringing any evidence to the table to support their personal faith. A faith not even followed by their own kind.
     
  3. outhouse

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    If someone wants to argue this topic, they need to bring something to the table to argue about.

    Your imagination is not up for debate.
     
  4. sincerly

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    Originally Posted by sincerly [​IMG] ...one has to use Jesus example during HIS testing. Satan said jump off the steeple, but that was not the principle of the verse quoted to Jesus by Satan.
    What Jesus had said was if thine enemy had tried to poison them or a snake had accidentally bitten them ---they would not die. see Matt.4:7


    Hi CG D, John 17:17, "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." I hope that I never lose my mind to believe that GOD'S Word(Bible) isn't informing seekers of its TRUTH.

    Are you claiming that contradicting views are Truth?
    Didn't GOD say that there is no god but HIM?
    Doesn't the Scriptures teach that GOD'S is truth?
    Doesn't the Scriptures teach that man lies, but GOD doesn't?
    Doesn't the Scriptures teach that all who choose to believe will be saved?
    Didn't Jesus teach by parables?
    Therefore, does one believe GOD or what man has devised as "truth".
    Are you not comparing my posting of the scriptures against the beliefs of those who do not believe the Scriptures? Please show me where my posts are contrary to the principles found in the Scriptures.

    See above! I have shown those verses in their proper understanding/principles as as the Scriptures attest. Nowhere in the Scriptures does it condone the doing harmful things as a test of one's relationship to GOD.
    Yes, Paul was bitten by a snake and lived, but that bite wasn't received/inflicted on purpose by Paul as the context indicated.
    Those verses were not, in context, claimed to be "figurative". Jesus had commissioned them to "Go Ye" and HE promised them Protection against(death by) enemies. Look at Paul's accountings of those who sought to destroy him--and the witnessing messages he delivered.
    (2Cor.11:22-31)
     
  5. outhouse

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    ONLY MAN WROTE WORDS you follow.

    And those are a few thousand years old.


    When you have a heart attack or stroke, only MAN will save you. Science saves you whether you like it or not.
     
  6. outhouse

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    WHAT TRUTH???

    How many generations were there between Abraham to David?

    Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations.
    Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.


    When did the leper become not a leper?

    (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house.
    (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.


    Who approached Jesus?

    (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant.
    (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.


    Was she dead or just dying?

    (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead.
    (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying


    Just what did Jesus instruct them to take?

    (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals.

    (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.


    When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah?

    (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah.

    (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah.

    (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.



    What animals were brought to Jesus?

    (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an *** and a colt from the village of Bethphage.

    (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt


    When did the fig tree hear of its doom?

    (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple.

    (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.

    Contradictions of the Gospel

    Plenty more where that came from.
     
  7. sincerly

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    And you ignore the evidence you bring! Those IAP scientists admit they lack the "details" of information which clinch the "facts".

    Those IAP scientists proposed theories which lack "details" are from their imaginations. And they admit the "lack" of those "details".

    The Creator GOD gave the true picture thousands of years ago as recorded in the Bible.
     
  8. outhouse

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    WHAT TRUTH???

    How many generations were there between Abraham to David?

    Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations.
    Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.


    When did the leper become not a leper?

    (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house.
    (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.


    Who approached Jesus?

    (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant.
    (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.


    Was she dead or just dying?

    (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead.
    (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying


    Just what did Jesus instruct them to take?

    (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals.

    (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.


    When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah?

    (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah.

    (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah.

    (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.



    What animals were brought to Jesus?

    (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an *** and a colt from the village of Bethphage.

    (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt


    When did the fig tree hear of its doom?

    (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple.

    (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.

    Contradictions of the Gospel

    Plenty more where that came from.
    [​IMG]
     
  9. outhouse

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    YOU are perverting heir words because of your faith.

    Many facts have been observed to make their conclusions. Just because the conclusion does not have all the details does not discount the many factually observed pieces of evidence they tell you have never been refuted.

    LEARN the word FACT.



    Does not matter how many details are missing YOU cannot refute or discount the FACTS at hand.


    Did he? :thud:


    Will you use him when you have a heart attack or stroke? or will you beg for science to save you for the benifit of your gandchildren???
     
  10. outhouse

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    WHAT TRUTH??? I AM NOT SEEING TRUTH HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    How many generations were there between Abraham to David?

    Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations.
    Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.


    When did the leper become not a leper?

    (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house.
    (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.


    Who approached Jesus?

    (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant.
    (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.


    Was she dead or just dying?

    (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead.
    (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying


    Just what did Jesus instruct them to take?

    (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals.

    (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.


    When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah?

    (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah.

    (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah.

    (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.



    What animals were brought to Jesus?

    (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an *** and a colt from the village of Bethphage.

    (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt


    When did the fig tree hear of its doom?

    (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple.

    (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.

    Contradictions of the Gospel

    Plenty more where that came from.


    I PROVIDE FACTS, YOU PROVIDE ONLY FAITH
     
  11. CG Didymus

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    IMO,The snake handlers exhibit more faith than most other Christians. I've asked Sincerely several times why the teachings in the Hebrew Scripture don't have the Christian devil or hell in it. Why God told the Jews the Law and the Sabbath are forever and almost all Christians could careless that Law and the Sabbath are done away with.

    There's no consistency. Christians say "The Bible must be taken literally" one minute and say "No that's not what it means" or "that part is figurative" the next. Sure they have faith. So do people in every religion. It proves nothing. It only shows that he has followed a religious path that requires a firm belief in a book that is a compilation of a lot of "truths." There probably isn't even one Christian that follows all of them.

    Some take Genesis literal, some don't. To him he has to "believe". He has to believe the mainstream, fundy way or he has nothing. He has everything to lose if he starts to doubt. He can never, ever give in to having an open mind. I tried to be a Christian in the 70's and could never do that. Friends were trying "faith" healing and speaking in tongues and to me they looked like a bunch of superstitious fools. I left. Of course, they called me the fool. But why am I telling you? I'm preaching to the choir. Hey, amen brother. Keep up the good work.
     
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    Let's see....science will save me?.....yeah!
    Science gives me cause to believe in cause and effect.

    God did it!
     
  13. sincerly

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    Hi CG D, שָׂטָן satan, is found in the Hebrew Bible. So is sheol=hell.
    I'm not "mainstream" Christianity as you suppose, but I do believe HIS word is
    truth and is not to be watered down by accepting contradicting principles. All who choose to be in HIS kingdom will be obedient to HIS principles.
    Your statement is your witness to your covenant relationship. Just as you "left" so have many others--into their own "belief systems".

    Those who mocked and remained outside the ark did so by their own choice. Real or "fable"? Your decision.
     
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    Not if one day is equal to 1000 years, and if its the cases, then Adam died 70 years before the day ended.
    See the Book of Jubilees cIV, v29-30
     
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    Originally Posted by sincerly [​IMG]
    Doesn't the Scriptures teach that GOD'S is truth?



     
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    "God" is found in the Koran, The Book of Mormon, the Baha'i writings. Is it the same "God" they are talking about? Your satan and your hell isn't the same as the Jewish definition. And who came first? Them. So why did you change the definition? I believe it came about because of pagan and Zoroastrian influences. I'm sure you think it is because people wrote what they heard Jesus say and therefore that's what is the truth. Maybe.
     
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    Which one?
     
  19. Thief

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    Mine!
     
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    You can claim all the supernatural explanations for our origins you wish.

    But without evidence, you only have faith.


    I dont need faith, knowledge and education dictate a literal interpretation of genesis is an impossibility.

    A literal genesis, will remain in the supernatural and theology in the context of religion.

    The scientific facts in place that DO explain our origns correctly backed with factual evidence are not up for debate. Only certain theist wish to have closed minds and constantly refuse to accept the scientific truth due to nothing more then ingrained faith.
    [​IMG]
     
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