Gender changes

[Saint Frankenstein]

Im not overly fond of going to the trans stuff. But overwhelmingly the people going are younger than me and other than being trans I have very little in common with them, and the divide widens as my concerns and issues arent the same given I grew up in a world that is entirely different and far less tolerant than California. Here I feel its so much easier to live without making trans being a focus, which is what trans groups do. I can just live, which is fine with me.

That's fine for you but finding community and support is a great thing, most especially when you're at the beginning of your journey.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

yea, that's what I thought, well it's like this, everybody is different were you wouldn't want someone to get offended on your behalf, there are a lot of people who would appreciate the fact that I cared enough about them to be offended on their behalf. Do you think I just got this way? nope, I've always stuck my neck out for people and you know what I've always got the response of being grateful that I cared, I've never encountered a ungrateful person till you. Just like you have to be you, guess what? I'm gonna be me, and continue to operate in the way I always have and I feel good about it!! Oh yea, I take Autism very serious because my Grand child has Autism/Asperger,you really wanta see me take something personally, let someone hurt his feelings or do something to him!!cause he is my heart!!!

Causing harm is one thing, but here you lacked context and made incorrect assumptions. Its not just an unappreciativeness, in certain lines of work making such assumptions can kill a client/clinician relation before it grows. Generally, its better to know first before speaking up.

 

[Diamond]

You would do it again, even now? Knowing that you falsely accused me of being insensitive based on your own false assumptions?

You would do it again, even now? Knowing that you falsely accused me of being insensitive based on your own false assumptions?

now you are misunderstanding me that is not how I meant it, I'm saying it as we haven't discussed anything at all and if I had to do it again, I'd think the same way and my action would be the same.I don't mean any harm but I still feel it was insensitive,so to me I didn't have a false assumption. but if that's how yall roll, then it's all good.

 

[Diamond]

Causing harm is one thing, but here you lacked context and made incorrect assumptions. Its not just an unappreciativeness, in certain lines of work making such assumptions can kill a client/clinician relation before it grows. Generally, its better to know first before speaking up.

look you are the one wasting your time and energy,cause I am not gonna change how I feel and I'm not gonna explain myself any further .I am gonna continue to be who I always have been, and I could care less how you feel about it, or what you think. Case Closed.

 

[Father Heathen]

$230 isnt much. Eight hundred is
common.
My "everyday" bag cost almost $2000.

I knew designer brand hype was ridiculous, but damn...

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Seems it would be a lot simpler to just be a man who likes other men. why go to the pain and expense to try to change who you are? You genes tell you who you are and taking medicines or cutting things off will not change that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So even if the people get all the goodies there is no guarantee they will be happy. Even if everything changes.

Doctor Everything-will-be-alright can make everything go wrong 'cuz pill, thrills and daffodils can kill.
After all; you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need.

Nothing can guarantee you happiness, no matter how radical the change. Not for Lola, not for me, not for the proletariat. Sometimes you just have to settle with rolling that rock up that hill.

Sometimes radical chnges are necessary just to have a chance at a tolerable life, let alone happiness. Addicts come to mind, where often times radical changes in social routines are necessary. Myself, Im not completely happy, but Im happy enough to not drink myself to death or abuse my body. And if someone is to the point they are considering disregarding what may come of their family, at the minimum they do need some time to consider if its continue rolling it or let it go downhill, because theyre already getting tired of rolling it. I would say its definitely to the point of seeking help to have help working things out, because regardless of what happens such feelings do not go away and the lives of others are involved.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's fine for you but finding community and support is a great thing, most especially when you're at the beginning of your journey.

It is, but its not the "one size fits everyone" thing. But, Im also not normal and dont really do groups. IMO, they get thrown at as a sollution, rather than a suggestion.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.

You think we dont know? Thats why we transition, to treat the dysphoria and become more comfortable in ourselves. Im stumped over this one, because as a mental health professional the idea of trying to attack a group for having a mental illness seems not only hideously cruel, but most curious because you might as well go to a critical care unit and condemn them as suicidal because they all have a mental illness.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Bullying doesn't cause suicide, sorry.

It's a primary cause in many, many cases, and a contributing factor in many more Bullying and suicide - Wikipedia

 

[Maximilian]

Total bull****.

Prove it.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

And Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.

And as such, needs to receive the most clinically efficacious treatment available, don't you agree?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Prove it.

You made the claim. You prove that bullying doesn't cause suicide, a claim which goes against basic common sense.

 

[Maximilian]

It's a primary cause in many, many cases, and a contributing factor in many more Bullying and suicide - Wikipedia

"Wikipedia is not a reliable source." -Wikipedia

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Bullying doesn't cause suicide, sorry.

Actually it does. We have myriads of examples.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

"Wikipedia is not a reliable source." -Wikipedia

Nice well poisoning. Wikipedia ITSELF is not a source, the articles linked to in the article ARE.

Can you point to any factual inaccuracies in the link I posted, or are you just hand waving inconvenient data? Here's your big chance to demonstrate with facts and objective data that the information at the link was incorrect.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

"Like the hundreds of female gymnasts who reluctantly came forward recently about the sexual abuse suffered years before at the hands of their sports doctor Larry Nassar, Billy was so traumatized that he did not tell anyone for a very long time. Billy pushed the emotions away with strenuous physical activity—bicycling, swimming, and running. Billy says he would do this “until the pain in my body was greater than the pain in my mind.” He also escaped by using his sister’s makeup and earrings. He says that after the sexual abuse “I so very much hated my appendage”—that is, his male genitalia.

Billy is not the first who turned to a transgender identity to escape pain and trauma. In fact, Billy’s story is not all that different than my own. And in the stories I receive from other regretful people who attempted transition, childhood sexual abuse abounds."

Which has what to do with what I asked?

edit: oh, I get it, by cherry picking a single example of an unethical doctor you hope to smear the credibility of an entire unrelated medical field.

Sort of like how all Jehovah's witnesses are wrong because Cardinal Pell was convicted of paedophilia.

 

[Maximilian]

Actually it does. We have myriads of examples.

That's confirmation bias.

What you need to do is look at all of the evidence from those who were bullied and never committed suicide.

 

[Maximilian]

Nice well poisoning. Wikipedia ITSELF is not a source, the articles linked to in the article ARE.

Can you point to any factual inaccuracies in the link I posted, or are you just hand waving inconvenient data? Here's your big chance to demonstrate with facts and objective data that the information at the link was incorrect.

I don't debate websites. But feel free to present a cogent argument with concrete evidence for your claims and I'll happily examine it

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Wikipedia is not a reliable source." -Wikipedia

Bullying is so horrible that even bullies themselves are at an increased risk of suicide (pdf from the CDC).
https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...FjABegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2Vlj3AGZf4uYYLf-6H_hr4