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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by thomas t, Nov 20, 2020.

  1. Unveiled Artist

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    You're not. It's just the christian belief. I don't agree with there is such a thing as quasi marital relationship.

    Why does gender (and how) does gender override one's commitment, belief in god, and biblical attentions as criteria to be in a sinless relationship?

    I don't understand the connection. Movie?
     
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    Do you believe hypotheses are fact? Can you cite a paper that does not refer to hypotheses?
     
  3. Skywalker

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    Gender doesn't make a relationship sinless. There are straight relationships that go against boundaries.
     
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    Genetic attraction, or biological attraction are hypotheses, and pseudoscience, and unverifiable respectively.

    The bible does mention sexual attraction.
    (Proverbs 5:15-20 ; Song of Solomon 1:1-8:14)

    From the Bible we know that Adam and Eve were straight.
    (Genesis 4:1) . . .Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant.. . .

    Yes the Bible talks about all these and more.
     
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    Being straight and morally straight are different. Homophobia Has No Place in the Church
     
  6. Unveiled Artist

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    I can't find the connection between hypothesis and my quote. I thought this was common sense facts about human biology and nature of attraction. I'm just using this fact so you can make sense of my points not to discuss the validity of the facts themselves (unless you're a doctor or study these sciences?)
     
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    In christianity it does. A man and a woman who are intimate in marriage are not sinning. (Taking marriage out for a minute) Two men with the exact same commitment and are married as well as intimate with each other is a sin (because of the intimacy).

    The only difference of this sin is not their commitment, not their love, not their religions, but what's between their legs.

    Even man/woman can kiss without getting married and christians are fine with it. Have two men or two women do it, it's all fireworks.

    Not because of the people's intentions, their hearts, and their faith-but what's between their legs.

    Why?
     
  8. Skywalker

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    Homosexuality isn't considered fornication because there's no such thing as a homosexual marriage bibically. But its still considered lust. Its the same thing. Those two men are in sin because they are having sex without being husband and wife. Do you think all kisses on the lips are sensual?
     
  9. Unveiled Artist

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    Proverbs 5:15-20 - GNTA - Be faithful to your own wife and give your love...

    This doesn't talk about the nature of attraction (hormones etc). It talks about the relationship not sexuality between husband and wife in regards to how they take care of their children. We can only assume who scripture are referring to are straight-we don't know.

    Song of Solomon 1:1–8 ESV - The Song of… | Biblia

    Beautiful poetry but this only talks about how people respond when they love each other not the nature and logistics of that love.

    I'm asking about the biological and physiological logistics (the sciences) of sexuality in the bible not the responses and relationship with the people with whom express their sexuality through compassion or having children.

    We don't know if Adam and Eve were straight, gay, or bi.

    It has nothing to do with them having sex. Gay people have sex with opposite sex to have children in many cases to raise a family with their partner or husband or wife. My friend did the same and carried her second child and yet still she is lesbian not straight.

    Where does it talk about Adam's and Eve's sexual orientation not their relationship and Eve being pregnant?

    Do you see the difference between one's sexuality and one's sexual behavior?
     
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    My question was, though, "how" is it a sin (taking marriage out) that two men kiss each other but man and woman kiss it is not a sin?

    What about what's between their legs makes difference between the two when both couples are christian, both love each other, both are committed, and both are human.

    People say "god or the bible says so" but there has to be a logical reason behind it rather than taking it as is.
     
  11. Skywalker

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    Sex is defined as whats off limits. Plants reproducing isnt sexual. Lesbianism doesnt involve eggs. Just because men and women biologically and physiologically complement each other doesn't mean all relationships that have men and women are okay.
     
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    A man and woman having sex without being husband and wife is just as sinful as two men or two women having sex.
     
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    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Seems like solid advice, seldom followed by those claiming to be emulating the spirit.
    Jesus can cast all the stones he wants. He’s Jesus after all. His followers though, might have to contend with the mote in their own eyes first.
    So it’s a sin. So what? There are thieves more honest than certain churches.
    And no, not all kisses on the lips are necessarily sensual
     
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    That doesn't invalidate that there are many people who do man/man, man/woman, and woman/woman who do have christian relationships but they are only made different because of what's between their legs.

    What's the reasoning behind it?

    I know it's wrong in christianity; but, what's the reason behind it?
     
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    I'm taking marriage out and just focusing on two committed couples man/man and man/woman. Christians don't mind the latter kissing before marriage but they do mind if two men do it.

    What's the reasoning behind it?

    How does one's genitals mean the former is lusting and the latter are, say, innocently courting?
     
  16. Skywalker

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    Kissing before marriage isn't lust.
     
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    There is more to gender than genitals.
     
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    I know. But christians believe two men who kiss and men and women who kiss do not have the same intentions because what is between their legs.

    Why so?
     
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    So that would mean a transgender woman can be with a non-transgender man and christians will find that alright because even though their sex is the same, they are fine because they are the opposite gender (given gender is more than one's sex)?
     
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    Why is it a sin to say something that isnt your place if it isnt gossip? Gossip is telling someone privileged information about someone else. If person A and person B have somewhat of a connection, and person C tells person A information about person B, and person C is an accquantince of person A and person B, but doesn't have anything in common with them, why is that different from if person C had more of a connection between person A and person B.
     
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