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Gas prices jump to over $4.00 a gallon. Praise Allah.

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Landon Caeli, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. dianaiad

    dianaiad Well-Known Member

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    No kidding. I love the train. One of my favorite 'get away' daytrips used to be to take the commuter train (and we do have one, actually!) to Grand Central Station in LA, walk a couple of blocks to Olvera street, wander around a bit, and then take the train home.

    I did have to drive to the station to catch that train, mind you, and pay for parking (the local station is five miles from my house) because there's no bus that will get me there, but it beat the heck out of dealing with the freeway, and I got a train ride. Did I mention that I love trains?

    I don't do the Olvera Street meander any more, because walking for any distance is out of the question for me, but I have been known to take the commuter train to Grand Central, then turn around and ride right back because, well, there's that train ride.

    Many people here in the valley take the commuter train. Most don't, because (whisper this one) the train doesn't take them where they need to go when they need to go there. Now me, if I ever go back to school, (say...Cal State Northridge or UCLA) I'll take the train, but other than that?

    Oh, indeed yes. While I do have a supermarket within two miles of me...I can't walk there. I definitely can't bike there. Now consider 'normal' people walking there in 105 degree ( Fahrenheit) heat. True, THAT isn't an issue that most Americans face, but it's something I face. My usual commute to medical/shopping is 30 to 50 miles. I get to go to the City of Hope fairly frequently. 150 mile round trip. Not considered unusual, or even something to be thought of twice.
    Oh. My. I remember that 'lack of distance' from my own time in England. But here? Fifty five miles is nothing. I'd go there for a morning's visit to a yarn or quilt shop, since there isn't one closer than that to me. I'll admit that most of my yarn/quilt shopping is done online nowadays, but there are times when one simply has to go look, y'know?

    One of the problems is...California is 1.74 times the size of the UK.

    California is the most populous state in the US, with 38.8 million. That's approximately the population of southern England. It really matters how dense the population is, when talking about mass transit and dealing with high gas prices.

    the continent of Europe is just a wee bit bigger than the USA...but that includes a very big part of Russia. The EU has a population of 510 million people...in an area half the size of the USA, which has 327 million. The EU has a LOT of mass transit and trains. Europeans manage with $8 per gallon gas because:

    a: they have far fewer miles to travel
    b; more mass transit
    c: fewer people own cars
    d: more people own 'scooters,' bicycles, etc.

    Items A and B are the most important things, I think...I wouldn't mind paying $8 per gallon if I only had to drive 2 to 5 thousand miles per year. I'm lucky if I can get away with driving three times that much per year (in years where I don't go to Utah to see my daughters).

    I did note, as a surprise, that Italians own more cars than Americans do, per capita. Remind me not to go to Italy and attempt to drive there.
     
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    dianaiad Well-Known Member

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    Ah, but, m'friend, you haven't given me any suggestions that *I* can use. Can you think of something?
     
  3. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Bokononist
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    My suggestions were merely what came to mind.
    I'm sure you are most qualified to figure out what
    is best for you & yours.
     
  4. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

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    The Wahhabis weren't nationalistic.. Saudi Arabia was never colonial.. I like them myself. They are conservative and family oriented but friendly and hospitable.
     
  5. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    Nice. Personally, since I live across the street from Angel Stadium, I like to take the train south to San Juan Capistrano, and explore there. One time they had a really good bluegrass band playing banjos at the Los Rios historic district, and I like the old Mission too.

    ...Good times.
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  6. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    Still, their "stoyle" is not to my liking. ;)
     
  7. dianaiad

    dianaiad Well-Known Member

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    That is, quite possibly, the most polite brush off I have ever been given. ;)
     
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  8. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Bokononist
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    Mirthful but true. Knowing too little about your situation,
    I really can't advise you with more than generalities.
     
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  9. dianaiad

    dianaiad Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps not, but...it might be worth thinking about, y'know?
     
  10. Shad

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    Arab press says otherwise.
     
  11. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

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    Which Arab press?

    https://medinapublishing.com/frank-jungers-the-caravan-goes-on-memoirs-reuters-and-daily-mail/

    1. Interviews - Frank Jungers | House Of Saud | FRONTLINE | PBS
      https://www.pbs.org/.../frontline/shows/saud/interviews/jungers.html
      Frank Jungers first came to Saudi Arabia in the late 1940s to help in the restarting of oil facilities following the end of World War II. In the 1970s he became president of the Arabian American Oil Company (Aramco). in this interview he shares his memories of King Faisal, the kind of man he was, and their conversations,...

    2. Frank Jungers Archives - Medina Publishing LTD
      https://medinapublishing.com/book-author/frank-jungers
      A key figure in Aramco’s history, Frank Jungers witnessed and eventually oversaw momentous growth during his three decades with the company. Born in North Dakota, he earned a mechanical engineering degree at the University of Washington and joined Aramco in 1947. Jungers became President of Aramco in 1971 and was Chairman of the Board and CEO from 1973 to 1978.

    3. Images of frank jungers 1973 oil embargo
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    4. 1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia
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      The 1973 oil crisis began in October 1973 when the members of the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries proclaimed an oil embargo. The embargo was targeted at nations perceived as supporting Israel during the Yom Kippur War. The initial nations targeted were …

    5. Frank Jungers 'The Caravan Goes On' memoirs: Reuters and ...
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      Oct 23, 2014 · John Kemp of Reuters recalls the oil embargo of ’73 Excerpt: On Oct. 21, 1973, Aramco, the kingdom’s oil producer, was formally instructed to cease shipping cargoes to the United States and other countries on the embargo list.

    6. The Caravan Goes on : Frank Jungers : 9781909339194
      https://www.bookdepository.com/Caravan-Goes-on-Frank-Jungers/...
      Jan 15, 2014 · The Caravan Goes on by Frank Jungers, 9781909339194, ... and his role in steering the company through major international crises that included the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, the dramatic oil price increases of the 1970s, the Arab oil embargo and the OPEC hostage incident of 1975.

    7. Nixon Administration Ignores Saudi Warnings, Bringing On ...
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      Nixon Administration Ignores Saudi Warnings, Bringing On Oil Boycott. It was 24 years ago, on Oct. 20, 1973, that Saudi Arabia announced it was imposing a total oil boycott against the United States in retaliation for its support of Israel during the October war. The action caused an economic earthquake around the world.
     
  12. Shad

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    I wasn't talking about Jungers.
     
  13. sooda

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    What were you talking about? I linked an article from Medina publishing for you.
     
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    Faisel
     
  15. sooda

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    Faisel was a good king.. and a smart man. He didn't want the oil embargo, but he told Nixon he would have to do it and he kept his word.
     
  16. Shad

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    Your own sources suggest otherwise.
     
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    What do you mean?
     
  18. mistoftime

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    Our petrol prices keep going up here in the UK. It was £1.22.9 per litre at our local supermarket today.
     
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