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Featured Galatians 3:13

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Buddha Dharma, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. sandy whitelinger

    sandy whitelinger Veteran Member

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    I find the longer the reply, the less it seems like on step at a time.
    Proverbs 10:19
     
  2. Faithofchristian

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    If I may ask, what does Proverbs 10:19, have to do with anything, that were talking about, do you understand what
    Proverbs 10:29 is referring to ?
     
  3. Phantasman

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    Christ took the curse upon himself (hanging on the tree). You have to continue reading, not just Galatians 3, but Galatians in it's entirety. Paul is speaking of the "false gospel" delivered to the Galatians. Thre whole of Galatians is Paul telling them that they (Gentiles) should not follow the false gospel and it should be cursed. He is explaining why the Gentiles do not have to follow the OT ways of circumcision, law and diets. This was the emerging catholic ideology of joining the Gospel to Judaism. Paul called the law a schoolmaster. And said we don't have to follow the schoolmaster (law) any more.

    Galatians 3:
    24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    Since Christ came, it is our faith in the one who took the curse away, Christ, that saves us by following him instead.

    19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    The law was given by angels, not God. So it sufficed "till the seed should come". What is the seed that should come?

    The Word, brought by Jesus Christ. It overpowered the law (of angels).

    Luke 8:
    Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
     
  4. sandy whitelinger

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    I see.
     
  5. 74x12

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    That's okay. I realize my posts can be confusing at times. :confused: It's no surprise others find it difficult to comprehend me. I'll try to be make it as plain as possible.

    The argument you made in your previous post is that according to the context of verse 22; maybe we should understand that it is only those who have committed a sin worthy of death that will be accursed when they hang on a tree.

    What I was saying in response is that in Deuteronomy 21:22-23 the quotation "for he that is hanged is accursed of God;" is actually not the main point of the passage. The main point of the passage seems to be that they shouldn't leave the body hanging for more than one day.

    Therefore, the part where the writer mentions the fact that they are accursed is only an explanation giving the reason why they shouldn't leave the body hanging there all day and night.

    Furthermore, the verse does not even tell us why those who are hung on a tree are more accursed than criminals who were not hung on a tree.

    So in conclusion; the fact they are accursed of God is not necessarily because they committed sins but because they were hung on a tree. You were saying that they are accursed because they committed sins. On the other hand the actual text seems to be saying they committed sins and therefore they are hung on a tree; so that they will be especially accursed. So, the text seems to indicate that hanging on a tree made them accursed.

    In other words, hanging someone on a tree was a way of especially dishonoring a particularly bad criminal. So the connotations for Jesus are obvious. He's taking the most dishonorable death in the Torah becoming sin who knew no sin so that we may be made the righteousness of God in Him.

    I really hope I'm clearer this time. If not let me know.

    Deuteronomy 21:22-23
    22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: 23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
     
  6. Buddha Dharma

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    Unless this is referring to the one hanged and not the act. Eh- details, details... ;)
     
  7. URAVIP2ME

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    Right it was God's Law. The temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law covenant or contract was for only one Nation, the nation of ancient Israel. Jesus was the end of that Law as per Romans 10:4.

    From the Greek/English Interlinear does Not captialize God's spirit with a upper-case letter 's'.
    Just as God's spirit is Not capitialized at Psalms 104:30.
    Just as God's spirit is Not capitialized at Numbers 11:17,25 where God's spirit is in lower-case 'it.'
    The spirit of God has No upper-case 's' found at Job 27:3.

    The ' deeds' of Romans 2:6 are ' spiritual deeds ' (James 2:26) which include Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
     
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    It's a valid point; you could read it that way. But, I believe Paul has the correct reading because they singled people out for this particular punishment on special occasions. It looks to me that it was used to especially dishonor someone's memory. They now had the curse of God. And we can see throughout the old Testament how certain people end up hung on a tree. You have some of the Canaanite kings that attacked Israel. Then you have Absalom* the son of David who started a rebellion. He actually hung himself by his hair on a tree by accident before Joab killed him ... Judas hangs himself.

    BTW, I did not do this emoji ;) on purpose. I copy pasted that scripture passage here and the forum interpreted it as an emoji.
     
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    What I find recorded at Exodus 20:19 is: ..... let Not God speak with us, lest we die. (fear they would die )
    Fear they would die because the law showed then up to be sinners. No one, except Jesus, could keep that law.
    In other words, only Jesus proved to be sinless. If they or us could stop sinning we would Not die.
    Since we can't stop sinning we die, and we can Not resurrect oneself or another, so that is why we need someone who can resurrect us. Sinless Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18.

    I would say it was Un-faithfull Jerusalem ( in the year 70 ) who did come under God's curse - Matthew 23:38.
    That corrupted religious ' house ' of worship was abandoned by God.
    Today we should be more concerned about the description of Jesus ' cursing ' (so to speak) the figurative haughty ' goat class ' of people mentioned at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:41.
     
  11. Buddha Dharma

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    One issue though. You're using the New Testament to present me an argument, when I'm trying to determine if the Christian scriptures cite the Hebrew Bible correctly. I am asking you to argue from the Hebrew Bible and it's immediate context :)
     
  12. URAVIP2ME

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    I find Deuteronomy 21:22-23 is from the Hebrew Scriptures:
    A man worthy of death should be put to death by hanging on a tree, which both Galatians 3:13 and Acts of the Apostles 5:30 mentions punishment as hanging on a tree. Not on a cross or a pole with a crossbeam attached.
    King James Bibles translates what is a stake or a pole as cross, so the translation into English added the cross bar.
    The Romans often did mass executions, so to add a cross piece to a pole or state would have been costly time-consuming extra work and certainly not necessary.
     
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