paarsurrey
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G-d has himself defined amply about Him, if others could lend their ears. Right, please?
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G-d has himself defined amply about Him
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paarsurrey
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One may like to read my post #39 in another thread:
I am an Ahmadiyya Muslim, we Muslims don't have to define G-d ourselves, and we don't accept definition of others about our G-d, as G-d has amply defined Himself in many a verses of the pristine and secure Quran. Others may define their concepts of God/gods for themselves, but these are not binding for us and cannot stand before them in reason.
This is what I believe sincerely, others are welcome to differ with me with reason and arguments, if any, or without. Right, please?
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And Post #41:
Atheism being a non-organized position/no-position ,I observe, every person belonging to Atheism is on its own, so he can define Atheism for his own self only, not binding on other Atheists or other Believers. Right, please?
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I am an Ahmadiyya Muslim, we Muslims don't have to define G-d ourselves, and we don't accept definition of others about our G-d, as G-d has amply defined Himself in many a verses of the pristine and secure Quran. Others may define their concepts of God/gods for themselves, but these are not binding for us and cannot stand before them in reason.
This is what I believe sincerely, others are welcome to differ with me with reason and arguments, if any, or without. Right, please?
Regards
And Post #41:
Atheism being a non-organized position/no-position ,I observe, every person belonging to Atheism is on its own, so he can define Atheism for his own self only, not binding on other Atheists or other Believers. Right, please?
Regards
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't hear anything.
Your god that you believe in has said some words that were recorded by man in a book, AFAIK the quran was written down a long time after Muhammeds death and then standardised by uthman,at no point in your quran is there anything to suggest that they are the words of an all singing all dancing god, so the problem with your gods words is they were written by men.
james blunt
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Doesn't the Quran offer people to challenge the truths of the Quran?
Must you accept truths ?
Are truths not truths ?
Lying is not truth's
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Primarily Quran is a verbal narration from G-d, and it was written down by the scribes immediately as a second measure for security. The primary Narration from G-d to Muhammad to his followers, to generation after generation among Muslims, is continued till today, while the second measure is also there, intact. Uthman did not standardize the Holy Narration , because it was already standardized by Muhammad in its present form, with absolutely no change, please.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
There is no compulsion to believe in it. Please try to read it intently from cover to cover and then of course one could ask questions, and even in Muhammad's time people asked the questions and were replied. Many of such questions are recorded in Quran, please.
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james blunt
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The specific content I am referring to is this :
That which allows all to exist within and that which cannot be created or destroyed, for that is lord.
For the unbelievers write a chapter of truth like this , proving this chapter false.
You cannot speak words of truth like me and lord is everywhere,
Lord is space.
I reveal these words of truth this day , for I know what is certain.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Please provide the complete reference like Chapter: Verse.
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
And you won't. You have to read it to hear it, the Voice of God.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That can be said for just about any book a person reads. A person can hear Thor Zeus Apollo in the same manner.....And you won't. You have to read it to hear it, the Voice of God.
Just that you won't ever hear in actuality, a real audible voice.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The Voice of God only comes through scriptures, IMB.
0k it was an oral tradition until written down but the one who started the oral tradition, was a man so just like the Bible there is no evidence to suggest its anything other than man a man made belief system.
As for uthman there's some controversy there like the satanic verses being removed or rather Muhammed said Satan tricked him.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's kind of ironic then since the scriptures don't ever show God acting in that way. It effectively nullifies its content as genuine since God clearly lost the ability to speak making it no better or worse than any other God for which people claim God speaks in their minds.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I did not say that all scriptures are the Voice of God.
Some of them are just someone writing about God...
I do not think that any scriptures describe how God acts...
Nobody knows how God acts.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
If we want to get nitpicky, Gabriel dictated it, right?
How did God talk to people prior to the invention of writing?
Not even prophets, then.
Wrong.
Humans commonly claim to have the true definition of God. When I don't find their definition credible, or even rational, they prefer to believe that the problem is me. It's not. It's them.
Tom
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Why is that?
Do you think that we have no free will?
Do you think that God is controlling everything we do?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
God could still reveal Himself to a Prophet, even if there was no way to write it down. God has sent Prophets from the dawn of human history, but there is really no way to know about the Prophets that preceded Adam.
“And now regarding thy question, “How is it that no records are to be found concerning the Prophets that have preceded Adam, the Father of Mankind, or of the kings that lived in the days of those Prophets?” Know thou that the absence of any reference to them is no proof that they did not actually exist. That no records concerning them are now available, should be attributed to their extreme remoteness, as well as to the vast changes which the earth hath undergone since their time.
Moreover such forms and modes of writing as are now current amongst men were unknown to the generations that were before Adam. There was even a time when men were wholly ignorant of the art of writing, and had adopted a system entirely different from the one which they now use. For a proper exposition of this an elaborate explanation would be required.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 172-173
Correct. Not even Prophets know how God acts. Every way is barred to the comprehension of God.
“Nay, forbid it, O my God, that I should have uttered such words as must of necessity imply the existence of any direct relationship between the Pen of Thy Revelation and the essence of all created things. Far, far are They Who are related to Thee above the conception of such relationship! All comparisons and likenesses fail to do justice to the Tree of Thy Revelation, and every way is barred to the comprehension of the Manifestation of Thy Self and the Day Spring of Thy Beauty.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 4