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Fun Way To Fool Yourself -- Condemn Someone for Doing What You're Doing

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Have you noticed how much fun it is to fool yourself by attacking and condemning someone else for "feeling smug and superior" in such a manner that it makes you feel smug and superior to them?

Like,"Those religious folks think their religion makes them better than us atheists, but us atheists are really better than those religious folks because we don't go around feeling superior like they do".

Or, "Those atheist folks think their atheism makes them better than us religious folks, but us religious folks are really better than those atheist folks because we don't go around feeling superior like they do".

Ever notice how easy it is to fool yourself?

Ever notice how much fun it is?

I thinking ranking oneself as superior or inferior in comparison to other people pretty much goes with the territory of being human. It's almost impossible to escape doing it. So why should we condemn people for doing it? It is one thing to point out to folks that they are doing it -- but why try to condemn them for it? Does condemning people for feeling superior or inferior to you make any sense to you? Do you think condemning people is gong to change human nature? If so, why? If not, why not?

Like condemning Trump supporters?
I know this is not a political discussion but there is where most of the condemning takes place.

One has to feel they are right, possess the truth of being right.

Me condemning someone else doesn't resolve anything. The trick maybe is to get a person to consider condemning themselves. We try to establish moral absolutes and show the immorality of our "opponent". If we can encourage the acceptance of our moral high ground, then they may change their position.

Being amoral, like myself, allows a bit more flexibility in the position which one argues from.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I once had a tenant who was a Unity Church minister.
He railed against Paul Reubens (aka Pee Wee Herman)
for wanking in a pornor theater.
Turned out later that he was a closeted homo.
I never had a chance to discuss the potential conflict there.

Seems those that protests the loudest are often compensating for their own faults. Their deep desire is wrong and assume it to be shared among the flock.

The unconscious mind fosters desires on us. It has sneaky ways of getting us to fulfill those desires.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Have you noticed how much fun it is to fool yourself by attacking and condemning someone else for "feeling smug and superior" in such a manner that it makes you feel smug and superior to them?

Like,"Those religious folks think their religion makes them better than us atheists, but us atheists are really better than those religious folks because we don't go around feeling superior like they do".

Or, "Those atheist folks think their atheism makes them better than us religious folks, but us religious folks are really better than those atheist folks because we don't go around feeling superior like they do".

Ever notice how easy it is to fool yourself?

Ever notice how much fun it is?

I thinking ranking oneself as superior or inferior in comparison to other people pretty much goes with the territory of being human. It's almost impossible to escape doing it. So why should we condemn people for doing it? It is one thing to point out to folks that they are doing it -- but why try to condemn them for it? Does condemning people for feeling superior or inferior to you make any sense to you? Do you think condemning people is gong to change human nature? If so, why? If not, why not?
This is why the best path to take for anyone is a path of non-judgment. The second we judge another and criticize them, it's about ourselves, trying to not feel inferior. If we quit doing that, and we realize everyone has flaws like us, then we can view them with compassion and grace, genuinely. It begins by exercising grace with ourselves.

We condemn others because we condemn ourselves first. We forgive other and show grace, when we can see ourselves in that light first. "I am not superior" is the beginning of wisdom. "We're all foolish", is the truth. As the old saying goes, one finger pointing at another has three fingers pointing back at ourselves.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Seems those that protests the loudest are often compensating for their own faults. Their deep desire is wrong and assume it to be shared among the flock.

The unconscious mind fosters desires on us. It has sneaky ways of getting us to fulfill those desires.

I saw one Trump supporter hater claiming that 6 or 7 people are 'problematic' on the forums (obviously he was referring to Trump supporters), him being one of the most obnoxious antagonizers oblivious to his own faults.

...It wasn't even funny, it was actually sad.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
This is why the best path to take for anyone is a path of non-judgment. The second we judge another and criticize them, it's about ourselves, trying to not feel inferior. If we quit doing that, and we realize everyone has flaws like us, then we can view them with compassion and grace, genuinely. It begins by exercising grace with ourselves.

We condemn others because we condemn ourselves first. We forgive other and show grace, when we can see ourselves in that light first. "I am not superior" is the beginning of wisdom. "We're all foolish", is the truth. As the old saying goes, one finger pointing at another has three fingers pointing back at ourselves.

A person who is loyal, honest, etc has
no occasion to feel that he is any way
superior to someone who has no regard
for such things?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I saw one Trump supporter hater claiming that 6 or 7 people are 'problematic' on the forums, him being one of the most obnoxious antagonizers oblivious to his own faults.

...It wasn't even funny, it was actually sad.

Are we condemning? :D
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
A person who is loyal, honest, etc has
no occasion to feel that he is any way
superior to someone who has no regard
for such things?

Folks have their faults. I have my faults.
I just see myself as different, not superior.

If they are not impacting me or folks I care about I don't care much. Just go on about your life as you see fit.

If OTOH they are impacting me or folks I care about, then it's not about me being superior. It's just about me finding a means to negate that impact.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Like condemning Trump supporters?
I know this is not a political discussion but there is where most of the condemning takes place.

Trump supporters condemn themselves through their behavior, then whine they are being picked on when anyone so much as accurately reports their behavior.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Trump supporters condemn themselves through their behavior, then whine they are being picked on when anyone so much as accurately reports their behavior.

I really don't think they spend much time condemning themselves.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
A person who is loyal, honest, etc has
no occasion to feel that he is any way
superior to someone who has no regard
for such things?
A person who is loyal and honest, etc., if they are motivated by the goal of being seen and recognized by others, will of course be critical of others because the whole deal is an ego project. Building up and protecting our egos is what leads to judging others to make ourselves feel acceptable to ourselves, which of course is just a lie we like to believe is the case.

To be loyal, honest, etc., as a byproduct of being a genuine human being who wishes to act with respect and regards towards others, actions which are not motivated by those ego concerns, will not judge others, but simply recognize in others what he or she has already recognized in themselves, but now no longer feel motivated by those. If we can see others shortcomings within ourselves, and accept those in ourselves, understand those in ourselves, and not be a critical self-judge for those, then we won't do it when we see it in others.

It's when we point out faults in others, when we condemn them or put them down, we are doing so because we don't accept ourselves, and are denying it it, not owning it. Once we own our own crap, there is no longer any need to feel superior as a compensatory response to self-rejection. Genuine self-acceptance leads to humility. "I am not superior. Why should I judge another?", is genuine humility. Humility doesn't mean you are inferior. It means you accept you're the same as everyone else, with your own cart of flaws you pull around with you all day, just as they do theirs.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Generally everyone believes in their own views.
Why condemn oneself when one has The Truth, eh.

Didn't really want to pull in politics but it seems to apply equally.

As I see it, I have my truth, which maybe different than your truth. No need for me to think my truth is any better than your truth. Just different.

Most seem to want to insist on the same truth. Some idea that the "truth" has to be the same for everyone for it to be truth.

Doesn't mean we can't share some truths. Just doesn't have to be all of them.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Didn't really want to pull in politics but it seems to apply equally.

As I see it, I have my truth, which maybe different than your truth. No need for me to think my truth is any better than your truth. Just different.

Most seem to want to insist on the same truth. Some idea that the "truth" has to be the same for everyone for it to be truth.

Doesn't mean we can't share some truths. Just doesn't have to be all of them.
I don't have the truth.
Like all others, I have opinions & values.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I'd condemn previous statements I've made if someone can objectively prove them false.

Why?

I suspect you thought yourself to be making a correct statement at the time. Not everyone but most do try to make correct statements to the best of their ability at the time.

If you learn otherwise, start making a more correct statement with your new information. I see little reason to condemn my past self who honestly didn't know any better.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Why?

I suspect you thought yourself to be making a correct statement at the time. Not everyone but most do try to make correct statements to the best of their ability at the time.

If you learn otherwise, start making a more correct statement with your new information. I see little reason to condemn my past self who honestly didn't know any better.

That's a good point. Condemning my own statements might stem from my religious upbringing, being a Catholic taught to confess sins.

Probably it's unnecessary.
 
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