'Fully God and fully man'....or, 'God & man'? Is there a difference?

[godnotgod]

We all have a self identification.

Yes, but is it real? What we call 'self' is the accumulation of life experiences, social indoctrination events, titles, images, and other attachments that the mind turns into an idea it calls 'self' as an entity. IOW, the mind identifies itself with all of these things, and then proceeds to create a frozen reality of them called 'self', all of which are images of ourself from the past. The 'self' in this sense is nothing more than a 'has-been'. It is not a living presence that emerges moment to moment from the present. In your view of self as a stream of music, the mind does the same thing: it takes an action and turns it into a noun. The idea is that the self travels forward in time through life experiences as an agent of those experiences, when no such agent actually exists. Who we are is not the 'experiencer of the experience', but the experience itself. To identify with the past is to live in the dead past, thinking it to be real.

Even in music, if one instrument has to much ego it spoils the symphony.

That's because it's an exaggeration, and exaggeration is an illusion. It's put on. Only when the player understands part to whole is the music authentic. He/she blends with the entire orchestra as one without emphasizing the player, but focusing on the music-making.

Yes it is all consciousness vibrating at different speeds, and these can be dissected into dimensions.

Only in the conceptual mind. The reality is that the Universe is a singular and seamless affair. Where do you see 'dimensions'? They're just intellectual concepts, no?

Quantum physics is a method for understanding the fabric of reality.

But only in a conceptual subect/object split. If Quantum Physics says that material reality is a 'superposition of possibilities' rather than made up of little steel balls, it does not make real sense until one experiences reality directly in those terms.

Personally don't see it in good vs bad; just frequency, dense vibrations sit low, and higher vibrations ascend.

So in your view, Heaven and Hell are not places of happiness and torture?

BTW, did you take a look at Post #76? If so, what do you think?

 

[wizanda]

Yes, but is it real?

Thank you for the explanation of that perspective, it was enlightening...

Tho identification with self being a historical timeline (I) is transitory; the recognition of our own dynamic character, that presents its self over many life times, that even in different forms, the expressions of the soul are unique to our piece of music is infinite.

Yet once we try to stop the music, and select that one piece of it, we become finite, and thus have to come back down here.

Where do you see 'dimensions'? They're just intellectual concepts, no?

They're mathematical principles, that make up the fabric of reality... Also from my NDE, cross referenced them with all religions, thus have them quantified.

So in your view, Heaven and Hell are not places of happiness and torture?

Heaven is a place of unconditional love and wisdom, thus Sat Chit Ananda (Conscious bliss), and Hell is a place of arrogance, pride, meanness, etc, thus it is torture of its own making.

BTW, did you take a look at Post #76? If so, what do you think?

Generally find Sam Harris mental on many points... The ideas he is summarizing, have not been properly understood in the first place, so find it null hypothesis.

In my opinion.

 

[paarsurrey]

I believe both concepts "Fully God and fully woman" as also "fully God and fully man" are equally wrong concepts. Jesus did not claim to be "fully God and fully man", he never said any such thing.

To be physically "Fully God" and "Fully man/woman", I believe, are superstitious and irrational standpoints. Christianity is to reform itself instead of projecting Jesus as a irrational person.

Regards

 

[godnotgod]

Generally find Sam Harris mental on many points... The ideas he is summarizing, have not been properly understood in the first place, so find it null hypothesis.

That's OK, but can you see how easily the mind is deceived via just the visual illusion of the Kanizsa pattern that Harris presented? By the same token that we first see a 'square', we also see a 'self'. This illusion requires no scientific verification. The illusion is via direct experience and is unmistakable once detected. It is the same when piercing the facade of the 'self'. But, you see, once detected as illusory, the question then becomes: 'what, is it that is looking'? This is the most compelling question one can ask, because it cannot be a 'self'.

File:Kanizsa triangle.svg - Wikipedia

 

[74x12]

The Essenes were Nazarenes, a sect of the Essenes. Yeshua and Paul were Nazarenes, and that does not mean 'citizens of Nazareth'; there was no 1st Century 'Nazareth'.

Acts 24:5 ►
King James Bible
For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/jesus-nazarene-myth-stefan-vucak

There were 3 Essene groups, two of which were The Nazorean Essenes of Mt. Carmel, a mystical family monastery, where it is reputed that Yeshua lived and taught with his family. There was the Therapeutae in Greece and Egypt, whose teachings originally came from Theravada Buddhist monks from India. these were healers, and Yeshua had contact via the Nazorean monastery at Mt. Carmel with them. Yeshua's original teachings were Eastern, not Western. But they became corrupted by Paul who overwrote his teachings with pagan doctrines and then launched modern Christianity.

Read this article. Nazareth was real.

 

[godnotgod]

Read this article. Nazareth was real.

Pretty weak and insubstantial article, compared to this:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html

and more detailed information here:

http://www.nazarethmyth.info/

During the 1st century, there was a community of 'tent dwellers' around Mt. Carmel, just 10 miles outside of present -day Nazareth, the site of the Nazorean (Nazarene) Essene monastery. This community came into being due to the fact that the religious leadership of the monastery banned permanent dwellings on Mt. Carmel as it was considered a sacred site. It was this community that was most likely the real 'Nazareth', while what was in the location of present-day Nazareth was a farming community. To date, only a small farmhouse with wine presses and other farm implements have been unearthed.

There is no indication that 'Jesus' ever made a profitable living from his alleged carpentry work. But it makes far more sense that he and his parents lived in the Nazorean Essene monastery atop Mt. Carmel, a family monastery where he would have contributed his carpentry skills to the monastery for free.

 

[paarsurrey]

To be physically "Fully God" and "Fully man/woman", I believe, are superstitious and irrational standpoints. Christianity is to reform itself instead of projecting Jesus as a irrational person.

Regards

Jesus himself said he was "Son of Adam" , the Christianity should reform itself to align with Jesus as "Son of Adam", please.
Regards