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Featured From The Heart of an Honest Muslim!

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by outhouse, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. outhouse

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    Had this article emailed to me. Comments?


    By Dr. Tawfik Hamid
    "I am a Muslim by faith, a Christian by spirit, a Jew by heart, and above all I am a human being."



    Dr. Hamid is an Egyptian scholar and author of the following article...


    I was born a Muslim and lived all my life as a follower of Islam.
    After the barbaric terrorist attacks done by the hands of my fellow Muslims everywhere on this globe, and after the too many violent acts by Islamists in many parts of the world, I feel responsible as a Muslim and as a human being I must speak out and tell the truth to protect the world, and Muslims as well, from a coming catastrophe and war of civilizations.

    I have to admit that our current Islamic teaching creates violence and hatred toward non-Muslims.
    We Muslims are the ones who need to change.


    Until now we have accepted polygamy, the beating of women by men, and killing those who convert from Islam to other religions. We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called jizia.


    We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the mosques.

    What message do we convey to our children when we call the Jews "descendants of the pigs and monkeys"? [Yet are not both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Ibrahim? (Abraham)!] Is that a message of love and peace, or a message of hate? I have been into [Christian] churches and [Jewish] synagogues where they were praying for Muslims.
    While all the time, we curse them, and teach our generations to call them "infidels", and to hate them.


    We immediately jump in a 'knee jerk reflex' to defend Prophet Mohammad when someone accuses him of being a paedophile while, at the same time, ..we are proud with the story in our Islamic books that he married a young girl seven years old [Aisha] when he was above 50 years old.

    I am sad to say that many, if not most of us, rejoiced in happiness after September 11th and after many other terror attacks. Muslims denounce these attacks to look good in front of the media, but we condone the Islamic terrorists and sympathise with their cause.
    Until now our 'reputable' top religious authorities have never issued a fatwa or religious statement to proclaim Bin Laden as an apostate, while an author, like Rushdie, was declared an apostate who should be killed according to Islamic Shari'a law just for writing a book criticizing Islam.

    Muslims demonstrated to get more religious rights as we did in France to stop the ban on the hijab (head scarf), but we did not demonstrate with such passion and in such numbers against the terrorist murders. It is our absolute silence against the terrorists that gives the energy to these terrorists to continue doing their evil acts. We Muslims need to stop blaming our problems on others or on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
    As a matter of honesty, Israel is the only light of democracy, civilization, and human rights in the whole Middle East .

    We kicked out the Jews with no compensation or mercy from most of the Arab countries to make them "Jews-free countries" while Israel accepted more than a million Arabs to live there, have their own nationality, and enjoy their rights as human beings. In Israel, women cannot be beaten legally by men, and any person can change his/her belief system with no fear of being killed by the Islamic law of 'apostasy,' while in our Islamic world people do not enjoy any of these rights.

    I agree that the 'Palestinians' suffer, but they suffer because of their corrupt leaders and not because of Israel.

    It is uncommon to see Arabs who live in Israel leaving to live in the Arab world. On the other hand, we used to see thousands of Palestinians going to work with happiness in Israel, its 'enemy.' If Israel treats Arabs badly as some people claim, surely we would have seen the opposite happening.

    We Muslims need to admit our problems and face them. Only then we can treat them and start a new era to live in harmony with human mankind.
    Our religious leaders have to show a clear, and very strong stand against polygamy, paedophilia, slavery, killing those who convert from Islam to other religion, beating of women by men, and declaring wars on non-Muslims to spread Islam.
    Then, and only then, will we have the right to ask others to respect our religion..
    Dr. Tawfik Hamid
     
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  2. Deathbydefault

    Deathbydefault Apistevist Asexual Atheist

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    Wasn't it supposed to be the small amount of bag guys that ruin it for all the good guys?
     
  3. mahasn ebn sawresho

    mahasn ebn sawresho Well-Known Member

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    When they wake up the conscience of the Muslim
    Proclaims the truth
    But it is looking for a solution East
    And he did not know that he does not have any compromise
    Accordingly choice
    Between that rejects Islam
    Or to remain under the yoke of his teachings given to us by
    The big problem is the teachings of the Koran
     
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  4. That one dude...

    That one dude... Why should I have a faith?

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  5. Laika

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    I'm not 100% sure what to say in response to the OP. Given the feriousity and hysteria over Islam in the West, I can only hope that something more will come out of articles like this than taking the oppurtunity to criticise another set of beliefs and fit it into a sterotype. emotionally honest and will-informed dialogue would be a step forward in both the West and in the "Islamic" world. hopefully we can find common values with which to build lasting co-operation and peace.
     
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  6. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    His Wikipedia article makes Tawfik Hamid appear somewhat less self-conscious about Islam, but he seems to have a similar tone in his published articles.
     
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  7. Pastek

    Pastek Sunni muslim

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    Not all muslims have accepted polygamy, Turkey, Tunisia ans some countries of the Balkans forbid it.
    Morroco tried few years ago to regulate it too.
    In the practice not all muslim countries accept polygamy, for exemple in the maghreb you almost never see it.
    I don't think in the Sham countries it was really practiced.

    I never heard about the killing of an apostate in the maghreb, Turkey or the Balkans. Don't know for asian countries like Indonesia etc

    There is still on earth a muslim country who practice Jiziya ????

    This man is saying "we" as we are all acting the same.

    Maybe in Egypt but not in all mosques and countries.

    Big lol !

    True.

    This is a problem of a patriarcal society. The laws are just not applied while in Islam women are supposed to have many rights.
    I know many who were denied their right to choose or refuse to marry, their heritage, the right to drive and i can go on.

    Surprisingly i don't see anything about our corrupt leaders ...
     
  8. use_your_brain

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    almost all things he said about islam are true. but i don't read entirely .
     
  9. Smart_Guy

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    Yup, because he's a doctor, he's gotta be right and his understanding is the real understanding of Islam ;)
     
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  10. cambridge79

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    it's not that he lacks substance on some topics but it actually smells like something written by fox news and than given the credit to an egyptian professor to make it more credible.
     
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    Who gave this guy the permission to speak on behalf of every single muslim? I didnt rejoice 9/11, i was 11 years old when that happened and i couldnt care less. I remember switching the tv to Dragon Ball Z lol...
     
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    Why do non-muslims expect muslims from all over the globe to say sorry for actions they did not commit?
     
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  13. LuisDantas

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    Personally, I think that it is a necessary consequence of the perceived expectation that Muslims should be acknowledged as brothers sharing a single belief in the One True God.
     
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  14. Augustus

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    What about when Muslim terrorists kill other Muslims? Should Muslims apologise to themselves?

    Expecting others to take responsibility for actions that they abhor which are carried out by those nominally sharing a common aspect of identity is a bit worrying really. Expecting someone to apologise means you hold them in some way responsible. It is also counterproductive as it makes people feel alienated and distrusted which benefits the extremists and is exactly what they want to achieve.

    Is it ever wise to do just what the extremists want you to do?

    What if Trump asked Bernie Sanders to apologise for Stalin as they are both of the left? People would ridicule the logic and consider it demagoguery.
     
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    Is that in doubt? I took it for granted.

    Of course, there is considerable indication that they may prefer to doubt each other's sincerity of belief instead, but I don't think that makes too much of a difference.


    I would expect it to be. That is also a necessary consequence of choosing to share that aspect of identity, IMO. Religious belief is, after all, learned and not a inherent, genetic trait.

    I take it that you find that unadvisable, then?

    You lost me there. I have no idea of what you mean.

    Rarely. But I fail to see why you think that would apply here.

    Now, that comparison IS ridiculous.
     
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    I understand that at 11 years old you "couldn't care less", but I would hope that by now you have some compassion for the thousands of innocents murdered on 911.
     
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    It's nice to read about an Islamic scholar that categorically denounces Islamic violence and terrorism without making any excuses.
     
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  18. outhouse

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    I don't think so.

    The article explains pretty clearly issues within he religion itself that promote negative stereotypes for all, not just the real bad ones.
     
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    The author is making claims about what Muslims are being taught, and what things are shouted or said when Muslims gather. These claims are true to some degree. The question is, how often are these things occurring? An honest look into the frequency of such behaviors is incredibly important.
     
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  20. Augustus

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    Religions are so broad and heterogeneous though. Considering them as some unified entity is not the reality.

    How would you feel if people expected you to apologise for something you considered had nothing to do with you and attacked an important part of your identity? What if they looked at you with suspicion for holding such 'dangerous' beliefs?

    When people make assumptions about atheism that don't apply to you, you don't take it lying down.

    You can say 'well Islam is an ideology though and atheism isn't', but Islam is many ideologies and the ones that don't apply to an individual don't apply to them. Just as many atheistic ideologies don't apply to you.

    Because I know how many of my friends react when people expect them to apologise for being Muslim despite not having a hateful bone in their body.

    Why? He chose to share that identity, a learned and not inherent trait.
     
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