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Freedom of speech and hate speech, especially in common law

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Sirona, Jun 23, 2022.

  1. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Neither can Italians.
    They focus on espresso.:p
     
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  2. Secret Chief

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    Hopefully :)
     
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    It depends on if they're calling for direct violence right this minute, or if they're speaking more in abstract and theoretical terms, suggesting what they might do if they ever gained power. There's obviously a difference between the two.
     
  4. stevecanuck

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    That's a great question. A Muslim can call unbelievers "the worst of God's creatures" because he's merely quoting his holy book (8:55). If the reverse were to happen, it's off to jail.
     
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  5. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Hmmm....unbelievers need their own book
    to quote....if they want to respond in kind.
    (I take no offense, so I don't feel the need.)

    Hmmmm (again)....I suppose that by the premises
    of the Koran, the word, "worst", would have a meaning
    that I'd embrace with pride. To lack belief & despise
    submission are qualities I value.
     
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    Back in the 90's I remember telling my wife that one day it will be illegal to hurt someone's feelings. She didn't believe me.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Where do you live?
    (Your moniker suggests Canuckistan.)
     
  8. stevecanuck

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    Calgary, but starting this year we'll be spending 6 months is beeeoooootiful Avalon Beach, NSW.

    Currently we're on a cross-Canada road trip to St. John's ND, and back through the northern states. So far, so good.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Safe travels.
     
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  10. Heyo

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    I can confirm - partly. East Frisians were addicted to good tea before the Brits.
     
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    Out of the tap - at the same or better quality as from the bottle. But beware if you order water in a restaurant, you'll get sparkling water if you don't order "stilles Wasser".
     
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    And Christians can cite Psalm 14:1 but when I call them idiots, I get a warning.
     
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  13. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Weird...silent water, eh.
     
  14. Heyo

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    Perfectly rational. You can hear sparkling water but flat water is silent.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    It's interesting that this is their focus.
    For us, it's having come from the tap.
     
  16. danieldemol

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    I was reading gas meters up there (Avalon beach) only a week ago. (Small world ay)

    Your lucky to be well off enough to spend six months up there.

    Anyway stay safe and hope you have a happy stay in Australia :)
     
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    Free speech was designed to allow the open exchange of ideas. This was considered the best way to deal with those in power, who lack common sense, and who may try to suppress free speech, so their nonsense idea can be disguised with con artist tricks. Censorship has always been a way to create a lopsided data set, so bad ideas can appear to be better than they are. Good ideas can handle free speech and far more analysis data.

    The idea of hate speech was a political game and work around free speech, since hate is subjective and it can be defined, by those in power, in ways that allow one side to get away with nonsense, without any opposition. It is type of censorship to avoid the bright light.

    For example, the Left side of the political spectrum hated President Trump when he was elected. They made no excuse and would say they hated him and even express emotions of hate in rants against him, comparing him to Hitler. However, even with the word hate and the display of the emotions of hate, this group behavior was not considered hate speech, due to the irrationality of word games. This was a self inflicted game due to irrationality, which is why they could not accrete any responsibility.

    On the other hand, if you did not buy into and agree with the idea of gender pronouns, this was hate speech. In this case the goal was to end any further rational discussion. Hate speech has become a political game that has no rational basis or any consistent set of rules for all. For example, only white males can be called racist and sexist, with hate speech not applying to anyone else. This helps with nonsense social engineering, since white males will pick this apart.

    In my observations, men working at construction sites, decades ago, could and would can get abusive to each other, most often for laughs. Men, in general, seem to handle a wider spectrum of speech. It was part of a male toughening up ritual that made men emotionally sturdier.

    As women began to infiltrated these once all male jobs and all male organizations, male free speech was dumbed down to protect the ladies from their emotions. On the one hand ,one was told women can do anything men can do, but other other hand one was told, ladies present so be careful. The male ritual of saying what was on their mind, was no longer allowed, in favor of more control over free speech. At that point one could con the women and men could not fight for their souls. One was not allowed to question the obvious dual standard, at risk of censorship and dismissal. When the Constitution was written, only men who owned property, could vote. Free speech may have been designed with adult men in mind, who were self sufficient.

    This schema of dumbing down free speech, beginning with women's liberation, has been extrapolated, by the Left, to stifle free speech, to protect new pet social engineering projects, from common sense logic. Even comedians, who make fun at human situations, with humor and not hate are now considered hate speech. This is starting to reverse. This is how bad ideas get more traction than they deserve, based on lack of common sense and open debate.

    Men are visual animals while women are more verbal, based on how the male and female brains are wired. Men can handle free speech easier, since words are secondary to visual evidence. Science, for example, does not care if you claim to have created a perpetual motion machine with words. It need visual proof. With women, words come first, since they lack the same primary visual checks and balances, that would allow them to double check the words, against hard visual reality, to help control their emotions.

    Words are not gods that can control you like a puppet. This may be why religions tend to have the husband lead the wife, since he can handle more word data and can reach better conclusion due to more data and visual feedback. The Woke culture, is way overly sensitive to free speech, since there is a lot of nonsense to hide. My advice is keep speech free open, since it can help those who have been made shell shocked, by being conditioned to think words are gods that can control you. They often lack the gift of sight and need free speech to help them get this.
     
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  18. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle 'Some of you humans are just so funny!'
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    Nice to see one's response deleted for some unknown reason. :oops:
     
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    Small world indeed. Did you do Riverview Rd on the Clareville side? (We're not well off enough, but our son's in-laws are. We were just lucky enough to get a slice of it).
     
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    The truth loves to be challenged because it has the answers, and a lie wants you shut up right ****ing now because it can't keep it's story straight. Based on personal experience, the most difficult subjects to speak freely and openly about are islam and climate change. The knives come out (sometimes literally) as soon as you say, "Wait. What about ..........".
     
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