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Free speech laws on college campuses

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Stevicus, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. Stevicus

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    Texas Governor Signs Law Protecting Free Speech on College Campuses

    Tennessee & Texas -- Campus Free Speech Gains Ground Quietly in Many States | National Review

    It seems that Texas is the 17th state to enact laws like this for college campuses.

    This is interesting. So, if a heckler or some group of protesters wants to raise a ruckus to disrupt a speaker event, the law requires the college to impose some kind of disciplinary action.

    Institutions of higher learning have traditionally been viewed as bastions for the free and open exchange of ideas, but now we're at the point where the government has to step in and remind them of that.
     
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    So if someone like Milo or whatever neo-Nazi comes to campus to spread misogyny or homophobia or whatever else they hate, protesting them will now get you expelled. Let's protect free speech by stifling free speech! Way to go Texas!
     
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  3. Nowhere Man

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    The Socialists have long overstepped their bounds on how they handled free speech issues. This just levels the playing field again with no regard to the content provided by the speaker in question by not showing preference or bias even when the material is controversial.

    Gays and lesbians are still just as free to speak their mind as the next person. It's not like that has been taken away by this law.
     
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    Well, the wording refers to those “who unduly interfere with the expressive activities of others," which is not the same thing as merely protesting.
     
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    If a person is invited to speak at a University, they should, in the name of free speech, be allowed to give their talk at the designated place and time without interruption. Those who disrupt are taking away from the invitees right of free speech. People can have enough self discipline to allow the speaker to present their message without interruption. Those who object to the subject matter of the talk have plenty of appropriate avenues to exercise their free speech without enfringing on the rights of the invited guest.
     
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    That is vague language. Bet you dollars to donuts this law will be challenged in courts when the first college to disciplines a student for heckling a speaker. Heckling should not be against the law.
     
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    Yep. The right to free speech is not there just for the stuff we agree with.
     
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    Who says? Free speech is a two way street not a blind alley. If you are talking bull **** I reserve every right to say so.
     
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    Then why stifle and want to silence people who heckle people like Milo?
     
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    I suppose it would depend on how far the heckling actually goes. If it's so disruptive as to make it impossible for anyone else to speak, then it might cross the line.
     
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    It's still a form of free speech that is protected as long has there is no clear and present danger implied or a threat of violence.

     
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    Heckling is preventing the person from speech.
     
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    Unfortunately at places like Berkeley those on the left have negatively affected the rights of others. Education, not violent protest, should be the goal.
     
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    Comedians get heckled all the time and they know that the person with the mike has power over the heckler and the attention of the audience. If they know how to handle situations were they are being heckled why can't other people. If you are too sensitive to have an audience boo you then maybe you are a little too precious for public speaking. Look at the video I posted above.
     
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    Well violence is were you draw the line not at mere heckling or booing but when actual threats are made and there is a clear and present danger like a riot is forming.
     
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    I agree that's definitely when intervention is needed. Inciting a riot is obviously illegal and it seems more often than not, it's the hecklers who start riots rather than the speakers themselves.
     
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    I don't agree. In a civil society with free speech, people should keep quiet when an invited speaker comes to an event and gives their speech. You do not have the right to interrupt and call bull*** during the speech. You should be escorted out if you do it. This is not a blind alley. You can express yourself at another time. I would never even consider showing up to a university speech where someone is going to promote communism (or something else I object to) and jump up and start screeming at them during the talk. That would be absurd. Your method says that free speech goes to the person who screams the loudest so the other cannot be heard. That is not free speech.
     
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    Booing is a time honored American tradition. What you want is to enforce politeness on people, people don't have to be polite to a person who isn't being polite to them. If a speaker is calling for the extermination of the Jews, you don't hold back and let him finish up on why the Jews should be exterminated. You call him out right there and now. I know that is an extreme example but I am just saying that there is a time to heckle and boo someone and if they don't like it too bad. I am free to be impolite to a jerk. Freedom hurts.
     
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    I agree. People are free to boo, free to cheer, free to praise god, free to say god doesn't exist, free to show disgust, free to show support, free to whatever.
    My question is who's freedom out trumph's the other persons freedom?
     
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