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Free healthcare

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Estro Felino, Oct 28, 2021.

  1. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member

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    I don't think that is practical. The fundamental problem is that modern medicine has become too good. We can keep ourselves alive (not necessarily healthy) almost indefinitely and, significantly, have come to expect that. The problem is that - regardless of healthcare system - we're not willing to actually pay what that would cost (which I suspect would be something like twice what is invested in healthcare in Western European countries at the moment and similar to what is invested in the US, but without the insurance companies taking their cuts).
     
  2. exchemist

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    If you go on like that you blow up and become impoverished. Stick with Draghi: he will get you into a much better position. He may in fact be the best leader in Europe at the moment. Certainly the reputation of Italy is going up fast internationally under his guidance.
     
  3. Nakosis

    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
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  4. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Honestly I have never believed in dragons and in other mythological creatures. ;)
    As far as I know, G. Meloni is the most voted one, apparently.
    Going back to the topic, I believe in an efficient NHS in all European countries, so in Germany, France too.
     
  5. exchemist

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    And so do I. But funding it is costly and has to be paid for, with the necessary level of taxation, which then has to be collected, not evaded, Greek-style.;)
     
  6. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    In the eighties, when Italy had still the Lira, was it poor?
    When Craxi was Prime Minister

    We are speaking of an epoch where hundreds of new hospitals were built.
     
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    Ok, I think most Americans are worried about about sub-optimal care. I think the system is not bad if you are in a union or work for the government. Just those who don't are left to figure it out on their own.
     
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  8. exchemist

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    From Naples southward it was shockingly poor.
     
  9. Azrael Antilla

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    Wealthy people are contributing more? How terrible. My heart bleeds.
     
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    Well indeed. If you have followed the rest of my posts on this topic, you will see that the vast majority of British people, myself included, feel that is just as it should be. (I am one of the wealthy ones.)
     
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  11. Azrael Antilla

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    I beg your pardon. I assumed again. X
     
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  12. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    The truth is that I would be okay with insurance companies if they were public. And not private.
    Public law entities.
     
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  13. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    A South with new public emergency rooms, new hospitals built by the State
     
  14. Koldo

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    It is unsustainable. Any country would eventually crash and burn with unrestrained government spending.
     
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    Koldo Incredible Member

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    Question: By healthcare workers, are you including doctors?
     
  16. Azrael Antilla

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    Access to state funded universal healthcare, should be a fundamental inviolable human right. For, in my view, extremely pragmatic and humanitarian ethical reasons.
     
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  17. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Money is for circulating. It is not meant to be stockpiled by few bankers who cannot breathe without their daily million of dollars .

    Money exists to be spent.
    We all know what Seigniorage banking is and who benefits from it.
     
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  18. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Exactly.
    Health is sacred.
    It is not business.
     
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  19. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    And yet, it is legal restrictions on government spending that bring the US government close to crashing and burning on the regular, and brought the EU its worst political crisis pre-Brexit.
     
  20. Koldo

    Koldo Incredible Member

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    What money.... exactly?
    If you spend beyond yours means you will either need to:

    1) create money out of thin air, or,
    2) borrow it from someone else, or,
    3) seize it from someone else.

    There is a limit to how much you can get from any of those alternatives. Unregulated spending will never be satisfied by any of those. There must be a budget. We can discuss about how big it should be, but there must be one.
     
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