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Free electricity by dielectric compression !

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by james blunt, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. james blunt

    james blunt Well-Known Member

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    A dielectric material produces a small amount of electricity when in motion or under pressure . Copper is said to have a dielectric constant of 1 and at its highest , infinite .

    Now in theory and principle according to the law of physics , if we were to submerge a very long copper rod into a deep ocean , the oceans pressure at great depths would indeed cause the copper to become compressed by the oceans pressure , in affect tapering the end of the rod . The effect of this in a dielectric material should be the creation of electricity . The flow of energy will then traverse the rod to the surface by the laws of thermodynamics and high state energy is attracted to lower state energy . Now I'm not a mathematician and would have no idea of the dimensions needed of the rod but the idea is now here to work with . Additionally I will drop in a new solar panel design later on that is more shape efficient .

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    Additionally this idea does not rely on sunny days .
     
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    Sorry won't work. You also appear to be conflating piezoelectricity with a dielectric.

    Not all materials are piezoelectric. Copper does not appear to be one of them. And even if it was the electricity generated is not free. When a piezoelectric object is compressed it develops a potential. If one allows electricity to flow from that potential one gets only one short burst. That is due to the work of compression.

    Piezoelectricity - Wikipedia

    Perhaps you should study up on the Second Law of Thermodynamics as well.
     
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    james blunt Well-Known Member

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    You are correct , I did mix up my electrics . I did mean piezoelectrics , my mind was elsewhere .

    Why wouldn't it work ?

    Have you tried it ?

    As for constant , depth pressure is constant and will create a constant stress which will contract the rod . The kinetic energy will be constant , the atoms with become excited and gain heat and charge . This charge will traverse to the lower state energy of the rod , heading ''upwards'' where there is less pressure and the lowering state of energy .

    If not a copper rod , what would be a better material ?
     
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    I explained to you.

    First copper is not piezoelectric.

    Second, even if you lower a piezoelectric material into the ocean you only get one short burst of electricity when you do so. Then when you lift it out you get one short burst back. Piezoelectricity is not a constant flow. You are doing work lowering and lifting that object. The electricity is far from "free".
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Also, how long would it take to re-coop the cost in material, energy, and manpower to activate one of these rods?
     
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    What about ocean currents ? Surely they'd do the work ?
     
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    Good point. But even if they were free it would still take massive amounts of energy to make electricity using piezoelectric materials.
     
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    There are far more efficient ways to harvest energy from currents.
     
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    Maybe !

    I still think the rod idea would work but maybe you are correct and there is more efficient ways . I do have lots of others ideas about energy and designs , some not so bold .
     
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    This was not bold. It was ignorant.
     
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    That wasn't ignorant , it was thinking physics !

    You already said that if you ''dunked'' a ''biscuit'' in the tea you would get a charge . So are going to admit it wasn't ignorant and it was a science idea ?

    Would the rod compress by pressure as the depth increased ?

    You know it would , so stop saying I am not doing science and physics .

    Do you want to know why the rod would compress ?

    Because the lower it goes N>N
     
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    No, you weren't. You forgot the laws of thermodynamics.
     
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    No I didn't , the conductance of the lower state energy points of the rod with cause thermodynamic transition and the ''light'' will traverse the rod .

    It's only a question of whether the kE is enough to cause an electron/proton party that produces electrical current .

    Sea salt will also be attracted to the rod as it curves space time , salt is an electrolyte and conductive .

    Maybe we should do solar panel design instead , much easier :)
     
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    Obviously you haven't a clue of how much energy the sea contains .
     
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    Look at the title to this thread. That tells us that you did forget.

    And using terms that you do not understand is a form of lying.
     
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    Nothing beats an actual experiment with repeatable results.
     
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    The title of the thread is just before made this thread I mentioned in private chat about dielectrics .

    Of course I know what I am talking about , self taught or not !

    I am a scientist self proclaimed , like it or not !

    You know I've answered what is gravity and what is light and several other things !

    I also understand anti-gravity quite well and space propulsion .

    I know lots of stuff and design ideas , admitting some may not be practical but I know for fact that some are practical .
     
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    Experiments cost money for materials etc, I'd need a scientific electrical engineer for a start to help with my experiments .
     
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    Sorry, you cannot call yourself a scientist if you do not follow the scientific method.
     
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    You better find one with a good sense of humor.
     
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