France and Belgium acting to stop the Koran burners......

[oldbadger]

There is always two sides to a situation, understanding the non muslim community for their feelings about negativity from terrorists, hateful speech about their country and their way of living. And the fear terrorism has on them.

The terrorists who claim belonging to Allah would know their action is wrong and evil if they understand the teaching to not be about fighting others, but fighting the self. Something they clearly do not see.

This cause problem for non voilent muslim and followers of Allah. The view of all the Muslim community has become toxic due to evil action of the "few"

Understanding each other become difficult when evil is portrayed both ways.

Well what would you do?
Would you uphold or repeal laws which outlaw hate speech, actions and demonstrations?

Do you agree with the provocations of millions of decent Muslims?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I was saddened by the publication of pictures which upset Muslims in France, especially since France has outlawed hate speech against any groups of people (See below). But not upsetting pictures, it seems.
Now the situation has escalated further and both France and Belgium have needed to act against plots to burn Korans in public places (See below).

Any actions which upset people, whether by hate speech, hate demonstrations or hate publications, these can ignite turmoil, commotion and unrest across countries, and maybe beyond.

Who believes in Freedom to do any of these things? Who?



Hate speech laws in France - Wikipedia.
The hate speech laws in France are matters of both civil law and criminal law. Those laws protect individuals and groups from being defamed or insulted because they belong or do not belong, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, a sexual orientation, or a gender identity or because they have a handicap. The laws forbid any communication which is intended to incite discrimination against, hatred of, or harm to, anyone because of his belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, a sexual orientation, or a gender identity, or because he or she has a handicap.


Belgium expels Danish right-wing activists over plot to burn ...www.bbc.co.uk › news › world-europe-54919127
10 hours ago — The plan to burn a Koran in a mainly-Muslim area was described as "a serious threat to public order".
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France charges man for burning, urinating on Koran | Reutersuk.reuters.com › article › france-charges-man-for-burni...
5 Oct 2010 — A blogger who filmed himself burning the Koran and urinating on it to put out the flames is to appear in court in eastern France, charged with ...
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Liberté for Whom: How France Has Failed French Muslimstheintercept.com › 2019/02/23 › france-islamophobia-i...
23 Feb 2019 — French Muslims Grapple With a Republic That Codified Their Marginalization ... bear directly on the congregants at the mosque — about Islam, terrorism, and ... In Vénissieux and other suburbs across France, young men burned cars and ... The other tenants inside, as well as the shops below, were evicted ...

If it's their book, they can do whatever they want with it and the government has no business telling them otherwise. I think people who burn books are disgusting as I cherish books in general for what they represent for humanity, but it's their right to do so. Same with flag burning.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well what would you do?
Would you uphold or repeal laws which outlaw hate speech, actions and demonstrations?

Do you agree with the provocations of millions of decent Muslims?

Both provocing muslims by blasphemy and acting in way of terror is both wrong action, speech and thought.

Holding a view that harms other is not a good view.

 

[Altfish]

Both provocing muslims by blasphemy and acting in way of terror is both wrong action, speech and thought.

Holding a view that harms other is not a good view.

I'm not sure who said it BUT 'blasphemy is a victimless crime'.

Blasphemy is a law that is no longer applied in advanced thinking countries.
Views do not harm. Violence does.

If, like me, you believe god is fake; then saying so is talking truth, not blasphemy.

 

[oldbadger]

If it's their book, they can do whatever they want with it and the government has no business telling them otherwise. I think people who burn books are disgusting as I cherish books in general for what they represent for humanity, but it's their right to do so. Same with flag burning.

Apparently not in France and Belgium. The nutters who were preparing such actions got rounded up and chucked out. One has been imprisoned.

 

[oldbadger]

Both provocing muslims by blasphemy and acting in way of terror is both wrong action, speech and thought.

Holding a view that harms other is not a good view.

So what would you do with the nutters who were going to publicly burn Korans?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'm not sure who said it BUT 'blasphemy is a victimless crime'.

Blasphemy is a law that is no longer applied in advanced thinking countries.
Views do not harm. Violence does.

If, like me, you believe god is fake; then saying so is talking truth, not blasphemy.

God is not fake.
Words harm not the body but the mind.
Voilence harm the body and mind, both is harm and is bes avoided

 

[Spirit of Light]

So what would you do with the nutters who were going to publicly burn Korans?

Law of the country shold stop them. Police is in charge of the law in the streets.

 

[oldbadger]

I'm not sure who said it BUT 'blasphemy is a victimless crime'.

Blasphemy is a law that is no longer applied in advanced thinking countries.
Views do not harm. Violence does.

If, like me, you believe god is fake; then saying so is talking truth, not blasphemy.

So what would you do about those people who were planning to burn Korans in Belgium and France?

 

[oldbadger]

Law of the country shold stop them. Police is in charge of the law in the streets.

Well that's what happened.

Reasonable countries ban hate speech, actions and publications.

France just acted too slowly.....

 

[oldbadger]

I'm not sure who said it BUT 'blasphemy is a victimless crime'.

Blasphemy is a law that is no longer applied in advanced thinking countries.
Views do not harm. Violence does.

If, like me, you believe god is fake; then saying so is talking truth, not blasphemy.

Can you think of an 'advanced thinking' country?

Do you agree with open publication of pornography? How about public nakedness?

 

[Altfish]

God is not fake.
Words harm not the body but the mind.
Voilence harm the body and mind, both is harm and is bes avoided

Words are not violence.

As my Mum used to say, "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never harm me."

Counter words with words.

 

[Altfish]

So what would you do about those people who were planning to burn Korans in Belgium and France?

I, personally, would do nothing.
I suppose if I were a leader, I would try to educate and dissuade, if that were unsuccessful then monitor

 

[Altfish]

Can you think of an 'advanced thinking' country?

Do you agree with open publication of pornography? How about public nakedness?

Yes, I can think of an advanced thinking country.

Pornography is acceptable if there is no coercion, and people do it willingly.
Public nakedness, no problem. Wouldn't god have given us clothes if it was offensive?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Words are not violence.

As my Mum used to say, "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never harm me."

Counter words with words.

Counter wicced words wil words of compassion is a very good way to end w8rds that was ment to hurt
No need for harmful action or words.

 

[Altfish]

Counter wicced words wil words of compassion is a very good way to end w8rds that was ment to hurt
No need for harmful action or words.

Define 'harmful words' - I NEVER MENTIONED HARMFUL ACTION and do not condone such. It is you who keeps mentioning 'violence' and 'harmful actions' - I am solely talking about 'words'

 

[Spirit of Light]

Define 'harmful words' - I NEVER MENTIONED HARMFUL ACTION and do not condone such. It is you who keeps mentioning 'violence' and 'harmful actions' - I am solely talking about 'words'

Words that is meant to harm others because of religion, race, gender or political views.
Words that speak bad about mention topics because someone disagree with its teaching, other races, comment negativity about someone gender.

All of this is negative words, problem is that this happens both from religious people and non religious people. To gain some form of understanding both sides have to stop blaming each others, and focus more inward to know what is right to do.

 

[Altfish]

Words that is meant to harm others because of religion, race, gender or political views.
Words that speak bad about mention topics because someone disagree with its teaching, other races, comment negativity about someone gender.

All of this is negative words, problem is that this happens both from religious people and non religious people. To gain some form of understanding both sides have to stop blaming each others, and focus more inward to know what is right to do.

So, if you say, "I believe in a flying horse"
I am supposed to say, "Yes that's fine"
I cannot do that and keep a straight face. I favour fact and truth.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So, if you say, "I believe in a flying horse"
I am supposed to say, "Yes that's fine"
I cannot do that and keep a straight face. I favour fact and truth.

Question could be, why do you believe so? If the person answer, then you have the answer.
No need to ridicule someones belief even it sound strange.
Nothing wrong in disagreeing either, but no need to answer back just to feel upper hand or "must be correct"

 

[Altfish]

Question could be, why do you believe so? If the person answer, then you have the answer.
No need to ridicule someones belief even it sound strange.
Nothing wrong in disagreeing either, but no need to answer back just to feel upper hand or "must be correct"

OK, so if someone says, "The earth is flat" or "The moon is made of cheese" am I supposed to agree?
When is one allowed to intervene and say, "No, that is not correct"