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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by sandy whitelinger, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. sandy whitelinger

    sandy whitelinger Well-Known Member

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    The world that was formed in Genesis1:1 was formless and void according to Genesis1:2. This sounds like a good way to describe the indescribable. This leaves me to wonder, what was the nature of heaven in 1:1. Was it describable?
     
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    A formless void sounds like the heat death of the Universe. Maybe when heat death occurs and the last bit of mass is converted into energy the single Universal wave form of all existence collapses into a ball of nothing but pure energy creating another Big Bang event. Maybe mass is increased every time until nothingness to unimaginably large Universe is realized by God.
     
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    So I'm assuming you are saying the world was a singularity. I asked about heaven though. What was it's nature at the time?
     
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    The concept of "heaven" was the cosmos. A formless and void space means there was nothing.
     
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    So what was the fimament that was formed to separate the waters from above from the waters below?
    And you may have confused what was formless and void. The earth was described that way not the heaven. Are you saying heaven was also formless and void?
     
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    Time is measured with mass and energy. When you have only mass or only energy, time does not exist. Simple semantics.
     
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    I would say it didn't exist. Void = nothing at all.
     
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    Try and pay attention. I wasn't asking about time. I'm asking about heaven.
     
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    Void describes the earth not heaven.
     
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    If this is the case, then heaven equates with the universe. Our earth didn't exist at the start, so you have a point - if that is indeed your point. Heaven then would be pre-earth/ solar system space.

    I personally reject this concept of the world and heaven. In Genesis, creation is an act of division. Dividing even the darkness from the light! Can you imagine them as indivisible?

    I believe the same act of division occasioned the states we can label heaven and earth. Prior to this neither existed. Genesis is a truly profound document.
     
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    My mistake. My drugs must be wearing off. I apologize and beg your forgiveness.

    I always thought of Heaven as a separate dimension from our Universe. I would think the nature of heaven would be an infinite pool of white light where you get to look into the face of God and experience God's infinite beauty without any finite filters of human limitations. And in that experience time would cease to exist because you would be too enamored with God's beauty to think about anything else but the experience of eternal heavenly bliss.
     
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    then what is the firmament of heaven of Genesis 1:7 and Genesis 1:14.
     
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    So your saying heaven was indescribable as well?
     
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    From what is said about the earth in that chapter, at that moment, no features of the planet were visible, only the thick water filled cloud over was visible from outside the planet. No light reached the surface of the planet yet. This surface was still too hot for water vapor to settle down as seas and was evaporated as soon as it touched the ground.

    Since science tells us that the earth is quite a bit younger than the rest of the universe, our solar system was still in its infancy here. However, it seems reasonable to believe that the moon had taken its place however it was formed. Scientists still seem to debate how it came to be earth's companion.

    There seems to be no consensus on how the moon came to be our companion, nor is it possible to know the mechanics of the early system from what I have searched.
     
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    One of the first divisions. We have the Spirit of God moving on the waters. Thus, God was already beyond the first point of division. The Spirit - God's volition - was active, the Word had divided. Think about it.
     
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    Don't think that's a description of heat death. Heat death is where there is no free energy for entropy to continue to increase.
     
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    I just described it.
     
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    Ok, what got divided to make the firmament?
     
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    I thought heat death mass would unravel into energy and then the energy would spread out.
     
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    So it was not formless and void but tangible.

    By the way, how did all that white light get there when light wasn't created yet?
     
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