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For those who believe "most spirits" are good
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EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Are you saying that people who believe in a god but are not Jewish, Christian, or Muslim, plus Atheists are responsible for some kind of misguidance in regards to the spiritual world?
Most Muslims, Jews, Christians and Atheists alike are blinded to the spiritual world. I'm saying if spirits (most of them) are trying to make us see truth, why are most humans blinded by their spiritual powers?
InvestigateTruth
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Interesting.
I have never heard before that there are bad spirits who influence us and make us do wrong things and sins.
If they are responsible for our sins, why God punishes us? What is our fault?
Because he has balanced it with Imam and Angels to counter their influence, and our inward dimension has reality in both, but we are meant to destroy the reality we take in the dark realm. This is what slitting the caprice is about, otherwise, we can enjoy food and sex, this is not what is meant by killing the caprice.
They don't make us, in that, we can always resist their call, but they are the evil reality by which our sins take form in our soul and there is such a thing as infusion between evil Qareen and humans.
God will also be there in the hardship and teach us weapons against Iblis, through Quran and Ahlulbayt (a), and the light of the Imam counters the darkness.
The Quran while says "manifest enemy" (Satan) also says "manifest leader" (Imam Mahdi).
My point is the Jinn if they are good, would not be planning and day night to keep us blind, doesn't that make sense?
If they feel they have the right to control us and we aren't befitting to see the truth, that's something else, but shows they are evil in this case, not good.
From my perspective, the vast majority of spirits care not one whit for or against humans; they are indifferent to humans as the vast majority of plant and animal and microbial lifeforms are indifferent.
Only a small percentage are favorable to us, and a similar fraction unfavorable. I am extremely doubtful of the categories of "good" and "evil" as being real or relevant, as I don't believe in the polarized dualism held by the Children of the Books.
I see, you have a good point. Maybe most indifferent.
In my view, Angels = followers of Ahlulbayt (A) from Jinn. Close Angels to God, God's Angels, chosen Angels, won't deviate, rest can as did Iblis.
I don't believe neutrality is something most Jinn would do, but rather, they would take one side over the other.
I will go into details when I describe later the magical world humans are linked to.
I don't believe neutrality is something most Jinn would do, but rather, they would take one side over the other.
I will go into details when I describe later the magical world humans are linked to.
I guess this leaves me out since I see no reason that spirits, if they exist, have the best interests of anyone other than themselves in mind.
No guarantee any particular spirit you run into is going to have your best interest at heart. Maybe but just as likely, maybe not.
I mean, they know spiritual world dimension, but try to keep us from seeing all this and the battle between forces.
Seems to me, one side is trying to awaken us by calling us to awake to it and take it seriously. Another, side, wants us to focus on petty world desires and remain blind.
Of course, some of them awaken some of their friends to this reality, but the fact, most humanity doesn't see the inward world and kingdom, is telling me they are trying to subdue and control us.
I think most people are blinded to the spiritual because as material beings, even if we have a spiritual nature, we tend to get overwhelmed by our experiences in this world. It takes a certain degree of calm and focus, and respect for the spirits, to be able to benefit from such contact.
This is not what I see in many non-Abrahamic faiths.
My stance is it's hard to be neutral in that world. This is because there is a heavy war between the two forces in terms of what they wants humans to see.
Okay I see where you are coming from.
My experience is that we all have spirits with us. But some people can't even recognize spiritual world, and the spirits with them DON'T want them to.
Why do we have to respect spirits for them to enable us? Are they better or higher then us in your view?
My experience is Michael and Angels under him trying to awaken humanity, but people are pulled to the dark side because of desires of dark nature by illusionary magic are made appealing. So the dark forces, they wish for people to be immersed in desires, and only then will they show themselves.
This is cheating. Why not let them decide from the start. Why blind them and immerse them in desires, only to show themselves, when the person is immersed in them?
I'm talking about the spirits and their powers, not polytheistic followers. Why do they blind so many people to the inner world?
Then I suppose we ought to gird our loins for the battle.
Do you feel capable of defeating the negative influences we might run into?
Job 38:3
We have to forge our inner sword of honor and that's only by fusing with the sword of God - the Imam and using him and his family, as weapons and missiles against Iblis forces.
Most Jinn don't even want humans to know this intense power they have that can retribute, defend, and forge forth against the dark magic.
Also, most soothsayers and sorcerers are not aware of the holy sword of God and sword of honor of the soul that can be empowered by the former. Or if they are, they probably think it's dark and evil in nature as they perceive God's light and Angels and his forces all in bad negative view.
Very few know about the weapon every human has and can can forge into greater powers and abilities (every soul has it's own talented powers) from God and his Chosen ones and Angels help empower this sword as well.
I can see why you think that, but I don't accept the dichotomous good/evil either for us or against us scenario. My experience is that we exist amidst numerous spirits. While some of them may be termed "angels" and "demons," more of them are simply other kinds of spirits.
We should respect spirits because if they're bad, we might by being polite keep them from taking it out on us. likewise, if they are indifferent or even if they are good, they might respond more positively to us than they would otherwise.
But one should not assume that any given spirit has any particular knowledge or power, and certainly, most of them don't normally have any interest in us at all. But some people want to command or use spirits for their own ends, and I can't hardly blame the spirits for reacting negatively to those efforts.