So does god have any measurable effects on the universe or is that limited to charged particles?Snowbear said:As for proof that God exists, I may not be able to see His face, but I see the results of His work and that's good enough for me. Kinda like I can't actually see electricity, but I can measure it's current and voltage and my computer turns on.... that's good enough for me to know electricity exists
And do say that god can't show us too much or else it takes away free will, that kind of falls apart when you're looking at the fall of satan, since he was obviously fully aware of god's existence and still chose to rebel. Also, to say that a certain threshold of information would actually take away free will would imply a design flaw or limitation to free will, because it would deny the individual the option of interpriting the data as he/she felt fit.
And if the morality proof were really valid wouldn't that contradict your statement of having no absolute proof? Also, if god makes himself evident in your life, and has convinced you absolutely, are the souls of the rest of human kind not valuable enough to justify him getting up and showing us too, or would that be taking away our free will? (has yours been taken away by god being evident in your life?)