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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Amanaki, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. shunyadragon

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    No it is not for you to come up with the opposite of what I said:

    Actually from my perspective too many people have these experiences from the perspective of the their own beliefs, and there are many many diverse conflicting beliefs.

    If you meet Buddha on the path kill him!!!

    My 'satori' awakening was that: 'Oh sh**! What ever I believe I am most likely wrong in some way.' We are all fallible humans with a limited perspective.'

    Needs explanation!
     
  2. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Just curious, which surah are you reading?
     
  3. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    One can be fallible without being guilty. The one place where fallibility can be dangerous is in matters of authority and judgment. Humans don't have to be fallible where being right counts.

    A clear and true conscience reveals much good.

    The trouble with religion is where people close off and divide as us against them; perceiving wickedness where they are blind to reality and miss much that is good.

    Sometimes it's best to say I don't know, instead of jumping to judgment. Too often religions claim to know things they couldn't possibly know on their own.

    As for someone gaining special insight from a religion. One has to ask themselves does this insight bring peace, or cause division. How do I know what I know or seem to know?
     
  4. Fool

    Fool ALL in all
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    Enjoy the honeymoon again.
     
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  5. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    If you are a Muslim or Christian, it is better not to ask questions but say yes, yes, yes. Asking can lead you to trouble, disbelief.
    It is natural that you will be excited about your new understanding. Carry on.
     
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    If I might quietly ask, is the message you received anything other than an emotional state? Or can it be articulated as knowledge?
     
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  7. Amanaki

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    I had been thinking of Islam for a long time, even before i thought of converting away from Buddhism, because i had seen the good in it from many muslims in Norway, but when i looked out into the world, Islam was hated. So in the silence i started to watch documentary and trying to read about why those who converted become extremists. But i found that Islam it self is beautiful, whereas some extreme people misunderstood the teaching.

    And now the last few weeks and months i read the Quran firstly out of curiouesity the because i saw the truth in it.
    When i met the woman who is my girlfriend now, she guided me when i needed it.

    So even it look like I have suddendly converted, it has been on my mind for a long time.
     
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  8. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    You have always been a spiritual person.
    I am glad you are feeling at peace, following your new path.:)
     
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    means "re-union" with from where we all started the journey of life in the beginning.
    Thank you for being honest, my friend.
    Really, you have a quality that I lack.
     
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  10. Amanaki

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    Actually my goal is to read all of them, so i started with the beginning
     
  11. Amanaki

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    To me personally it was
    Knowledge given to me in the time i needed it, ut no i did not hear a voice telling it :) that part of my listening skilles are not open
     
  12. Amanaki

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    Thank you @Estro Felino
     
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  13. Amanaki

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    Very welcome my friend
     
  14. Amanaki

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    I believe that if we stop asking questions and only believe blindly what we read, it become a problem, but to have full faith in the teaching and let the teaching guide us to an answer is maybe a more correct way of believing in a God.
     
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    Yes, when it became crystal clear to me that there are no gods.

    Ciao

    - viole
     
  16. Amanaki

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    Look like we see completely the opposite way :) you are sure there is no God wheras i see clearly there is :) but that is just how different human beings are
     
  17. TagliatelliMonster

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    Imo, this.

    Pretty much every honest convert of any religion has such feelings.
    They can't all be legit. But they can all have a psychological basis.

    I just had a "moment" behind the drumkit. There are a couple of rudiments I've been practicing lately and having a really hard time with them. Barely managing to get them past 80 bpm. Combining them into 16th note patterns on just the snare drum was even worse. So much so that I got frustrated and threw the sticks accross the room and didn't pick them up again for a couple of days.

    Yesterday I sat down and felt completely relaxed with a "zen" mind.
    Now I'm shedding those very same patterns into 16th note combinations, spread out accross the drumkit while even adding all kinds of bassdrum notes into groove patterns at 130 bpm without breaking a sweat.

    But I'm not gonna thank the drum-gods for it. I realise it is just a matter of my brain requiring the time to "process" those patterns and register them as muscle memory.

    But it sure feels "magical". 3 days ago, I barely managed to play each distinct pattern on just the snaredrum. Today, I shed them in combo's all over the kit. And I too get "warm fuzzy feelings" from that experience.

    It's not exactly the type of thing that you are talking about. But at base, it seems similar to me.
     
  18. TagliatelliMonster

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    Lol! I totally get that :)
    In my previous post, I just described something similar concerning my drumming! :D
     
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  19. Amanaki

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    What you speak of is mubdane experience you create from physical objects you have. Nothing wrong in that.

    Buta religious experience is very different in the way i see it. I have too experienced mundane happiness from objects i owned, but to me the experience of realizing spiritual understanding is very far from mubdane.
     
  20. blü 2

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    Thanks.
     
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