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For Luciferians; The difference between Luciferians & Luciferianism.

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Twig pentagram, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. Twig pentagram

    Twig pentagram High Priest

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    There is a growing dispute in our community about Lucifer worshippers
    hijacking The Path. Worshipping Lucifer does not make you Luciferian.
    In fact many would say that it makes you the oppisite of a Luciferian.

    Luciferianism was created by people that woship Lucifer. IMHO- these
    people are not Luciferians. In fact, I think anyone that practices
    Luciferianism is not a Luciferian. The Luciferian ideal is about SELF
    mastery. It's not about bowing down to a deity, its about becoming
    one with Deity and in turn becoming your own Deity.
     
  2. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    This is why I just say im a lucifer. Idk man. I feel like we might be the odd group. That's ok we all meet at one community. My experience on another forum makes me want to say promethian instead of luciferian.
     
  3. jasonwill2

    jasonwill2 New Member

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    I'm sorry, but this is like saying "I'm a Luciferian but I don't adhere to the philosophy of Luciferianism, also I don't worship Lucifer/archetype even though historically Luciferians do"

    As both a Lucifierian and a Satanist I can say that this "ism" idea is just a ridiculous game of silly semantics that are pointless. Does it really make one's idea any more true in anyway to be so nitypicky yet grammatically incorrect to say they are not an -ism? Should we now just abandon all rules of the English language?

    If something is an "ism" it's a philosophy, theory, or religion that one loosely adheres to. If you are an "ian" you adhere to a philosophy, theory, or religion. So how is an "-ian" not a follower of a "-ism"?
     
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  4. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    Jason it is so much more then that. And im tired of hearing hidtoricaly. What is the context of that belief. What is the premise for such an understanding. What lucifer meant to them. Etc
     
  5. jasonwill2

    jasonwill2 New Member

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    If the person is not a Luciferian because of some philosophy, isn't is just a sexed-up symbolism for what everyone more or less does or values?
     
  6. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    What are you asking.?
     
  7. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    What was their premise.
    In a thiusand years internet archeologist dig up rf what would they say about us
     
  8. jasonwill2

    jasonwill2 New Member

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    I think the OP puts this clearly. Twin thinks being a Luciferian is being an autotheist, so why can't he just be an autotheist and stop corrupting the actual meaning of the word Luciferian?
     
  9. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    You have yet to demonstrate that. See my above questions.
     
  10. jasonwill2

    jasonwill2 New Member

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    Look right here:

    Empasis added.

    Iti oj, You know what I think is really offensive and disgusting? People who don't believe in Lucifer coming in and hijacking the name of a religion and the adjective meaning to follow that religion and then them saying they are the real thing instead of the definition that has been around for hundreds of years, then starting nonsense because about an adjective which means to follow said religion, perverting the English language.
     
  11. jasonwill2

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    Wait... was this a question? Are you asking me what Luciferianism is, and what it means to be a Luciferian? Punctuation would of helped make that more clear.

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    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism
    1. ^ a b Michelle Belanger (2007). Vampires in Their Own Words: An Anthology of Vampire Voices. Llewellyn Worldwide. p. 175. ISBN 0-7387-1220-5.
    2. ^ Spence, L. (1993). An Encyclopedia of Occultism. Carol Publishing.
    Source: http://theisticsatanism.com/varieties/index.html

    Empasis added;

    Source: http://www.squidoo.com/luciferian

    Also I didn't watch the videos on that page, I just read the text.
     
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  12. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    Sorry phone was craping out. And that was not what I was asking at all. Where did the premise come from are the writtings litteral or symbolic. How doez compare to historic mythollogical and archetype lucifer.
     
  13. jasonwill2

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    This debate isn't about that, it's about semantics and sexed-up autotheism.

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    Gnostic Luciferians base their beliefs off of this somewhat then mix it with occult traditions, AFAIK:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophites
     
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  14. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    Gnostics are gnostics they have their own dir and should have no say over mine. And satanist are satanist even if they think. Lucifer is satan
     
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    ...But THERE ARE Gnostic Luciferians that base their beliefs somewhat on the Ophites. Hence GNOSTIC Luciferians. And since it's mixed with western occult tradition it has more to do with the LHP than Gnosticism and is more eclectic then you suggest.

    How long have you been a Luciferian?
     
  16. Twig pentagram

    Twig pentagram High Priest

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    You don't know the meaning of the word luciferian.:facepalm: & it's Twig not Twin.
     
  17. jasonwill2

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    So let me get this straight, if you are a Luciferian you do not practice Luciferianism, and if you practice Luciferianism your not a Luciferian?

    Do you realize how nonsensical that is?

    As far as I can tell your Luciferian [ism?] has nothing to do with the archetype/god/planet/devil/anything that can be said to be "Lucifer like".

    It's just autotheism under a different name, so why not just say you are an autotheist?
     
  18. Twig pentagram

    Twig pentagram High Priest

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    You have no idea about the things your speaking on. I would enlighten you
    but I think you should be left in the dark.:nightcraw:
    Edit; Watch out for the Leviathan.
     
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  19. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    1 thing: prove it.
     
  20. Twig pentagram

    Twig pentagram High Priest

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    Find your own proof. I'm reverting to my ten percenter nature & leaving non-prometheans in the dark. Watch out for the Leviathan.
     
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