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For Christians who think God considers abortion to be murder

nPeace

Veteran Member
Right, we don't know all the facts so then it is a moral decision for the people involved.
The Bible does not say one can decide to kill an unborn, based on personal decision.

We are not speaking about normal circumstances but something gone terribly wrong.
Such as what?

Remember too under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law fornicators were: executed.
So, a deliberately fornicating unmarried-pregnant woman was put to death.
I hope you have been keeping up your personal study and Bible reading. Have you?
I hope you don't mind me being direct. I would not want you to shipwreck.

JWs speak in agreement when they use the Bible, as opposed to letting our personal feelings and views affect our thinking.

Fornication did not carry the death penalty. Adultery did.

Even being raped without screaming for help could be a reason for being put to death.- Deuteronomy 22:24-26
The degree of intent was to always be taken into consideration - Numbers 35:22-24
(Deuteronomy 22:22-29) 22 “If a man is found lying down with a woman who is the wife of another man, both of them must die together, the man who lay down with the woman as well as the woman. So you must remove what is bad out of Israel. 23“If a virgin is engaged to a man, and another man happens to meet her in the city and lies down with her, 24 you should bring them both out to the gate of that city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not scream in the city and the man because he humiliated the wife of his fellow man. So you must remove what is evil from your midst. 25“If, however, the man happened to meet the engaged girl in the field and the man overpowered her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her is to die by himself, 26and you must do nothing to the girl. The girl has not committed a sin deserving of death. This case is the same as when a man attacks his fellow man and murders him. 27 For he happened to meet her in the field, and the engaged girl screamed, but there was no one to rescue her. 28 “If a man happens to meet a virgin girl who is not engaged and he seizes her and lies down with her and they are discovered, 29 the man who lay down with her must give the girl’s father 50 silver shekels, and she will become his wife. Because he humiliated her, he will not be allowed to divorce her as long as he lives.

See Fornication
Under the Law. Under the Mosaic Law, a man committing fornication with an unengaged girl was required to marry the girl and to pay her father the purchase price for brides (50 silver shekels; $110), and he could not divorce her all his days. Even if her father refused to give him the girl in marriage, the man had to pay the purchase price to the father. (Ex 22:16, 17; De 22:28, 29) However, if the girl was engaged, the man was to be stoned to death. If the girl screamed when she was attacked, she was not to be punished, but if the engaged girl failed to scream (thereby indicating consent), she was also put to death. - De 22:23-27.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Right, having 'fornication with consent' was the death penalty - Deuteronomy 22:23-27
Being raped is Not fornication {porneia)
Did you ever read Deuteronomy 22:20-21 ___________
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Right, having 'fornication with consent' was the death penalty - Deuteronomy 22:23-27
Being raped is Not fornication {porneia)
Did you ever read Deuteronomy 22:20-21 ___________
If a virgin consents to sexual intercourse with a man, that is fornication... as in cases like these - Exodus 22:16-17; Deuteronomy 22:28-29; Leviticus 19:20
The consenting parties were not put to death.

At Deuteronomy 22:20-21, more than sexual intercourse with a man was the case.
Two things were glaring factors. 1) Concealed prostitution, (while under her father's roof). ...and 2) Marrying under a false claim of being a virgin.
The later carried the death penalty.
 
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