Witness for Jehovah
Great post!No one knows everything, is true, but I don't believe the scriptures were recorded to put on a shelf and say, we can't know what its writings reveal. I believe what's recorded for us, at 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 Alll scripture is God breathed, and beneficial for teaching... for setting things straight... So that the man of God may be ... completely equipped for every good work.
So I believe what is writen, is not arbitrary, nor so difficult that it calls for debates that are inconclusive. I believe that the "my interpretation your interpretation" argument is really a Devil inspired design - one of his crafty designs (not directing this at you, but expressing the way I see it).
I see Satan sitting back and saying, "As. My seeds have grown nicely. Job well accomplished."
The way I see it, these scriptures, are not written for nothing. 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4 ; 1 Timothy 4:1, 2
Evidently, the reason for the hundreds of diverse teaching, on very basic - from what I can see - teachings, is not a matter of mistaken ideas. The confusing exists because Satan is a liar - the father of the lie, the Bible says, and he hasn't stopped lying.
In fact he lies even moreso today, and he has more agents to use - Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:14, 15)
Think about it Ken. If Satan has not left the scene, why should we think that we are all on the same ship, traveling in the same direction, to the same destination... Or as some put it, different roads leading to the same destination?
Would that not be the same as saying, Satan isn't very powerful at all. Nor crafty... which is opposite to what Jesus said?
Sorry for that rant , but I think it's important we consider that.
From reading the scriptures, it's evident to me that we can know the things we are discussing here, because they are written.
I agree with Martin Luther, who realized how easy it was for persons to apply a symbolic meaning to anything in scripture. In that way, the scriptures can mean anything one wants it to mean, as Atheists put it.
I believe that while symbolism is used in scripture, there are obvious markers where they do not apply... but who am I... Like you said, Jesus will sort that out.
The only thing about that is, if Armageddon comes and finds us on the wrong path the resurrection won't be our reward.
That's what I understand from scripture.
Feel free to express what you disagree with, as I am sure there is much.
I was asking someone earlier, how they arrive at their conclusions.
Do you think we should just state ideas without any scripture that says what we think Ken?
If we are teaching, which we are to use scripture to do, how can we do so by saying something but having no scripture that agrees?
Let's suppose you were saying what you just said to a group of youth, and they ashed you, "Where in the Bible does it say Christ was separated from God?" What would you say to them?
Remember, most people don't just want to hear, "I said it." or "I am the pastor." or "I believe it."
I never read any of that Ken. I would like to see wher you read it though.
This is all what you are saying Ken. We do hear a lot of pastors on radio, television... all preaching, and saying all sorts of things... but what does the Bible actually say?
No Biggy. Nothing important. I was just wondering what you thought. It's not written - No details are given.
Why do you think that Jesus' body was physical?
Why do you think so?
Yes. So is there any reason why you don't think that Jesus was raised spirit, as the scriptures say, and manifested different physical bodies... as the scripture show, he appeared in multiple bodies - at least four - on different occasions?
The scriptures does say that those who have the heavenly calling will have spirit bodies that are immortal - eternal - in the heavens. 2 Corinthians 5:1-5 ; 1 Peter 1:3, 4 ; 1 Corinthians 15:53
Great! I hope we can continue that way.
Regarding Armageddon, I thought you might like this:
“Armageddon will destroy only the incorrigibly wicked, and there will be “a great crowd” of survivors. (Revelation 7:9-14) “
w11 9/1 p. 10 - The Watchtower—2011