Flynn claims about BLM in article extreme?

[Tambourine]

That isn't why I put this thread up though. I put it up, because I'm genuinely unconnected with BLM and don't know what to make of it. Its fine if people just think that the writers of the article is a nut, yet it doesn't help assess his accusations. He accused them of wanting to introduce marxism into the country. That's a legitimate concern if true. Marxism has shown itself to be a destructive force in every country it has appeared in. The cute idea of everyone sharing everything turns into a nightmare of bloodletting and killing all religious people, and yes religious people get massacred -- not for fake -- not in our imagination but for real. We're all just lined up and shot in country after country. This is not a joke, and nobody just farted it out. It happens. Nobody has addressed this seriously. BLM claims to support Marxism, and this is a problem if true.

Were you similarly put out by the rise in popularity of Neonazis and Neonazi ideas in US politics since 2015, or is Marxism a singularly troubling concern in your eyes?

I don't believe that they're Marxists, trained or otherwise.

And if they were, then why exactly would that be a problem? Americans don't seem to have a problem with literal Nazis marching through their streets, what's so uniquely concerning about people argueing in favor of public healthcare?

 

[Brickjectivity]

I don't believe that they're Marxists, trained or otherwise.

The FBI used to say that the Civil Rights and anti-war movements were infiltrated and controlled by communists. Some people even thought the Beatles were a communist plot.

So, anytime someone says that this group or that group is "communist," one has to take it with a grain of salt and just consider it so much red baiting. It's almost kind of ludicrous in this day and age, 30 years after the end of the Cold War, that people are still red baiting and trying to drum up another "Red Scare."

Before this article a BLM rep claimed BLM was a Marxist movement, as referred to by Shadow Wolf. It was a rep, so this was not something the general invented or simply a label put on by an outsider. The only real question is what did the BLM rep mean by it if not 'Marxist'. What did they think a Marxist was?

Flynn's comment seems just as dumb as the "trained Marxist" comment.

Maybe?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Were you similarly put out by the rise in popularity of Neonazis and Neonazi ideas in US politics since 2015, or is Marxism a singularly troubling concern in your eyes?

A family member posted this in my facebook feed. Otherwise I'd be ignoring it almost entirely.

 

[Tambourine]

A family member posted this in my facebook feed. Otherwise I'd be ignoring it almost entirely.

I am asking you, based on what you wrote in this thread, not your family member.

You argued that bringing Marxism to America was a "legitimate concern". So I wondered whether you had similar opinions on the "alt right" or similar Neonazi movements when you saw literal Nazis marching through the streets of American towns.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You argued that bringing Marxism to America was a "legitimate concern". So I wondered whether you had similar opinions on the "alt right" or similar Neonazi movements when you saw literal Nazis marching through the streets of American towns.

I'm actually more concerned about Neonazis than about Marxism in colleges, but I don't read about them I don't try to understand their complicated biblical interpretations and strange arguments. It just doesn't stick in my head. I have a very low tolerance for ideas other than my own, and besides the whole idea of a Neonazi just annoys me. Yes, I think its tragic that good people got caught up in the Nazi movement. Yes, I know not everybody is evil when they get caught up in things, but its still a horror. Why would anybody want to bring it back? Its insane to me.

 

[columbus]

I don't believe that they're Marxists, trained or otherwise.

BLM is a large group.
I have no doubt that some are Marxists.

But I'd bet a lot that there's 20 serious Christians for every serious Marxist.
Tom

 

[Stevicus]

And if they were, then why exactly would that be a problem?

Why are you asking me? I didn't say it was a problem. Some of them may be Marxists, but I don't think being a Marxist is a requirement to support the basic cause of Black Lives Matter. One doesn't really have anything to do with the other.

Likewise, there might very well have been Communists who supported the anti-war cause back in the 60s, as well the Civil RIghts Movement. Some people tried to use the technique of "guilt by association" to tar the entire group because a few of them might have been Communists.

If you're trying to argue that they should be Marxists or Communists, then I might even agree with that. Perhaps if all those who supported Civil Rights, Peace, Love, and all the other causes of the 1960s, if they were all dedicated Communist revolutionaries (like so many thought they were), we'd be living in a different country by now.

Americans don't seem to have a problem with literal Nazis marching through their streets, what's so uniquely concerning about people argueing in favor of public healthcare?

To the best of my knowledge, it's perfectly legal to argue in favor of public healthcare in the United States. The Communist Party is a legal entity in the United States, and they have just as much right to march through the streets, as the Nazis, Democrats, Republicans, and even Libertarians.

With Nazis and Communists, it's a bit tricky, since both ideologies can get a lot of people riled up. But it's still a matter of principle; it's in the Constitution.

 

[Stevicus]

Before this article a BLM rep claimed BLM was a Marxist movement, as referred to by Shadow Wolf. It was a rep, so this was not something the general invented or simply a label put on by an outsider. The only real question is what did the BLM rep mean by it if not 'Marxist'. What did they think a Marxist was?

Maybe?

Are we talking about a generally decentralized "movement" or is it a specific organization with rules, bylaws, membership dues, a political platform, etc.?

 

[Brickjectivity]

BLM is a large group.
I have no doubt that some are Marxists.

But I'd bet a lot that there's 20 serious Christians for every serious Marxist.
Tom

Oh yeah? Well I bet that half of them drive hybrid vehicles and won't eat leftovers, but the reps aren't claiming that.

Are we talking about a generally decentralized "movement" or is it a specific organization with rules, bylaws, membership dues, a political platform, etc.?

I don't think its a registered political party. I could be wrong about that. Its more like a club or charity, and there is funding involved. There is organization with information channels. The rep might be claiming for the organizers and those who set the schedules for demonstrations and who acquire funds and so forth. I'm assuming its a registered non-profit or else has help from multiple non-profits.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm inclined to agree with you, but then again, is sin really the measure for a faithometer?

I speculate that it's about as accurate as using a barometer to predict rain.

 

[Harel13]

This is not a joke, and nobody just farted it out. It happens. Nobody has addressed this seriously. BLM claims to support Marxism, and this is a problem if true.

I highly agree. Unfortunately, as you may have seen for yourself, whenever anyone says they're Marxists, they're shouted down. There's literally a video that came out recently of one of the founders of BLM admitting they're trained Marxists.

 

[Harel13]

The only real question is what did the BLM rep mean by it if not 'Marxist'. What did they think a Marxist was?

Fans of the Marx Brothers?

 

[metis]

Just because there may be some Marxists within an organization doesn't mean the organization is Marxist.

 

[Harel13]

Is Black Lives Matter Marxist? No and Yes. | Brad Polumbo

 

[Twilight Hue]

On facebook a relative posted a link to this article by someone calling themselves Gen. Michael Flynn.

Gen. Michael Flynn: If we don't act, 2% of the people are about to control the other 98%

He claims that there is an organized effort to drive God and prayer out of our churches, associates this with the Black Lives Matter movement and says the police are our defense against totalitarianism. He finishes his article by saying we must challenge every politician and always support our police. Some alarming quotes follow from the linked article:

"There is now a small group of passionate people working hard to destroy our American way of life. Treason and treachery are rampant and our rule of law and those law enforcement professionals who uphold our laws are under the gun more than at any time in our nation’s history."

"If the United States wants to survive the onslaught of socialism, if we are to continue to enjoy self-government and the liberty of our hard-fought freedoms we have to understand there are two opposing forces: One is the 'children of light' and the other is the 'children of darkness.' "

"They are also intent on driving God out of our families, our schools and our courts. They are even seeking the very removal of God from our churches, essentially hoping to remove God from our everyday lives."


These are just three of the many claims made against BLM in this article. Is this what BLM means when it says "We are trained Marxists?" What, exactly, are the aims of BLM? Does it, in fact, believe in marxism? Does it aim to drive God out of our families, schools and our courts? If so, why? If not then why does a US General believe this?

Maybe as he claims BLM is merely a marxist bloody uprising falsely claiming to be a movement for the benefit of black Americans. That appears to be the gist of this article. If you know something this is a chance to comment and to reply to the charges.

I don't care for the Marxist leanings of blm co-founders, yet I tend to think the issue needs to show actual examples by which the movement is accused.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Just because there may be some Marxists within an organization doesn't mean the organization is Marxist.

I softened my view on it. As long as the organization's actions don't reflect Marxist ideology, then it can't be accused of being Marxist.

I think the potential is there however in light of its founders who openly admit their Marxist leanings.

 

[Tambourine]

I softened my view on it. As long as the organization's actions don't reflect Marxist ideology, then it can't be accused of being Marxist.

I think the potential is there however in light of its founders who openly admit their Marxist leanings.

Where exactly would you see the problem?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Where exactly would you see the problem?

I would see a problem if the movement starts to promote political change that would interfere with the constitution.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is Black Lives Matter Marxist? No and Yes. | Brad Polumbo

That's a good article. It seems a fair assessment thus far.

 

[Tambourine]

I would see a problem if the movement starts to promote political change that would interfere with the constitution.

Such as...?