Flynn claims about BLM in article extreme?

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't think anyone should hide their religion. But some disagree.

I understand.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nah. It's not the same. Obama could talk faith all he wanted because at the end of the day (and the start of it. And the middle) he held the views so dearly prized by the left. In our case, that BLM rocks and the police must be shutdown. Flynn disagrees, so when he talks about faith and God, he's a nut.

Its has absurd and false claims the Left is so hostile and intolerant of religion it wants it out of public and private lives.

 

[Harel13]

Its has absurd and false claims the Left is so hostile and intolerant of religion it wants it out of public and private lives.

I think that view is based on weird things like:
- Average people are discouraged from having large funerals for their loved ones whilst people like George Floyd and John Lewis have ginormous ones and no one says anything.
- Large protests are a-okay but churches and other houses of worship must remain closed. Not even drive-in services are allowed...
- Statues of religious figures are being torn down without much, if any, outcry.

There may be more, this is just off the top of my head.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think that view is based on weird things like:
- Average people are discouraged from having large funerals for their loved ones whilst people like George Floyd and John Lewis have ginormous ones and no one says anything.
- Large protests are a-okay but churches and other houses of worship must remain closed. Not even drive-in services are allowed...
- Statues of religious figures are being torn down without much, if any, outcry.

There may be more, this is just off the top of my head.

Those arent attacks on religion. Lots of us can't go do things we want, and if America has taught is anything its that Americans believe the rules don't apply to them and cannot be trusted to do outdoor gatherings.
And, yes, there has been concerns even about BLM protests spreading the virus. Amd there is great outcry over removal of religious stuff. We cant even get the secular nature of the constitution with unconstitutional requirements of religion to hold public office in many states, removal of unconstitutional monuments that respect the establishment of religion, and even in school were a very broad base of students are educated its a fight to ensure they do not have Christianity forced upon them. War on Christmas? Christmas is so safe it ate Thanksgiving.

 

[Harel13]

Those arent attacks on religion.

Quite a few people on the right disagree with you on that.

 

[George-ananda]

It sounds like a too-far right winger. But some of that balances the too-far left wingers.

 

[Windwalker]

Nah. It's not the same. Obama could talk faith all he wanted because at the end of the day (and the start of it. And the middle) he held the views so dearly prized by the left.

And holding views of the left, means you really don't believe in God? What about all those millions of believers who are politically left? You have to be right-wing politically in order to be a Christian?

Care to support that view somehow?

In our case, that BLM rocks and the police must be shutdown. Flynn disagrees, so when he talks about faith and God, he's a nut.

What he is a nut about is this hysterical fear monger that anyone is trying to take God away from churches or your homes. That's tinfoil hat worthy nuttery.

 

[Harel13]

And holding views of the left, means you don't believe in God? What about all those millions of believers who do?

How did you infer that from what I wrote? Did I deny Obama's religiosity?

Care to support that somehow?

No need to support what was never suggested.

What he is a nut about is this hysterical fear monger that anyone is trying to take God away from churches or your homes. That's tinfoil hat worthy nuttery.

So why cancel drive-in services?

 

[Windwalker]

So why cancel drive-in services?

You see canceling people mass gathering together in cars, which was decisions of local mayors as I recall, during a pandemic which threatens to kill people like a wildfire if not contained, to be a persecution against faith?

That is laughable. What if there was actually raging fires in the area that threatened to burn down the church, and the sheriff ordered the church evacuated? Is he an agent of Satan in your mind? Does he hate God? Does he want to replace God in the churches with secular humanism? Maybe? You think that?

So, as I said. Nuttery.

 

[Harel13]

You see canceling people mass gathering together in cars, which was decisions of local mayors as I recall, during a pandemic which threatens to kill people like a wildfire if not contained, to be a persecution against faith?

Don't misunderstand me. I'm against the double standard. If it's rioting or protesting for BLM, all things go. If it's funerals for George Floyd or John Lewis, all things are peachy. But drive-in services will be the end of the world! Right.

That is laughable. What if there was actually raging fires in the area that threatened to burn down the church, and the sheriff ordered the church evacuated? Is he an agent of Satan in your mind? Does he hate God? Does he want to replace God in the churches with secular humanism? Maybe? You think that?

"Agent of Satan"? Please. Don't confuse me with Christians. As for your example, entirely unrelated. Like I said, I'm against the double standard. If a fire raged at Floyd's funeral, people would most likely clear out. But the same could not be said about Covid, apparently. Just a reminder, a large group of Orthodox Jews went to a funeral in the NY area a few months ago and were heavily criticized by De Blasio. But De Blasio had no problem with New Yorkers going to the Floyd and Lewis funerals or organizing mass BLM protests in the city. Please explain to me why those are different.

So, as I said. Nuttery.

Is it? I guess there is nuttery about, but I'm not sure it's what you consider to be nuttery.

 

[wellwisher]

BLM is doing the Conservative a favor by openly showing the left wing agenda that in the past was usually more hidden. The worse places in USA for blacks to live, are Democrat controlled cities like Chicago, NYC, Detroit, LA, etc. Yet BLM doss not point this out, since helping these blacks, at the source of the problem, is not their real agenda. Instead, they bust up and terrorize these places to keep these slaves from leaving the plantation. BLM is part of a modern multi-racial version of the KKK.

A survey was done of people who were asked whether they openly discuss their ideas and opinions in polls and in public. The answer was over 60% said no, out of fear of the anarchists and PC police. The fear mongering is working. However, what this means is a very large army of freedom fighters are waiting to pounce, when the time is right. Trump will be re-elected since he is for law and order. Law and order protects the innocent and fights the criminals, not the other way around.

 

[tytlyf]

BLM is doing the Conservative a favor by openly showing the left wing agenda that in the past was usually more hidden. The worse places in USA for blacks to live, are Democrat controlled cities like Chicago, NYC, Detroit, LA, etc. Yet BLM doss not point this out, since helping these blacks, at the source of the problem, is not their real agenda. Instead, they bust up and terrorize these places to keep these slaves from leaving the plantation. BLM is part of a modern multi-racial version of the KKK.

A survey was done of people who were asked whether they openly discuss their ideas and opinions in polls and in public. The answer was over 60% said no, out of fear of the anarchists and PC police. The fear mongering is working. However, what this means is a very large army of freedom fighters are waiting to pounce, when the time is right. Trump will be re-elected since he is for law and order. Law and order protects the innocent and fights the criminals, not the other way around.

Is that you Hannity? Someone teaches you that gossip.

 

[Tambourine]

What do you guys think, if I call myself General Marshal Galactic President McAwesomeville, will they print my stupid opinions in American news outlets?

 

[Tambourine]

BLM is doing the Conservative a favor by openly showing the left wing agenda that in the past was usually more hidden. The worse places in USA for blacks to live, are Democrat controlled cities like Chicago, NYC, Detroit, LA, etc. Yet BLM doss not point this out, since helping these blacks, at the source of the problem, is not their real agenda. Instead, they bust up and terrorize these places to keep these slaves from leaving the plantation. BLM is part of a modern multi-racial version of the KKK.

This is at least the third time on this forum I've seen someone compare leftist people of color with slaves on a Southern plantation.
What is it with these tasteless slavery metaphors?

 

[Harel13]

This is at least the third time on this forum I've seen someone compare leftist people of color with slaves on a Southern plantation.
What is it with these tasteless slavery metaphors?

A lot of BLM activists are white, though.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

A lot of BLM activists are white, though.

They're mainly allies, not the focus of the movement. It's like straight and cis allies to the LGBT movement.

 

[Father Heathen]

An op-ed of an op-ed that essentially claims that Flynn is crazy because he dared do the unthinkable, which is to write about the importance of having faith in God. Gasp, the horror! Yes, lock up all the religionists! Shut down RF!

Yes, let's let's pretend there were no mentions of conspiracy theories regarding BLM or socialism, or that cops should allowed to abuse their power with impunity. Let's also pretend that religion disappears if governmemt isn't imposing it upon people.

No, he's just another addled buffoon spewing useless rubbish.

 

[Brickjectivity]

WND as a source for anything? Not in my book.

This is something family actually put on their family facebook page. This is not just an article I have found on the internet or daily onion or the china daily. What the man is saying appeals to people who already agree with him. Thus it has potency, even if we have never heard of the medium carrying it.

Nah. It's not the same. Obama could talk faith all he wanted because at the end of the day (and the start of it. And the middle) he held the views so dearly prized by the left. In our case, that BLM rocks and the police must be shutdown. Flynn disagrees, so when he talks about faith and God, he's a nut.

You have some points there about speaking openly about faith. I am actually more curious about his accusations of the BLM movement. I am a little disappointed that most replies were just "Well its because he's crazy." I thought the comment "He's a crook" was more relevant.

There is a reason conservatives get labeled crazy by non-religious people. I don't remember what country you hail from. Here in USA the liberal Christians and the conservative Christians had a huge divorce about 100+ years ago when the conservatives became obsessed with the idea of a literally perfect and miraculously preserved bible and refused to hang with anyone who disagreed. Conservative Christians even stopped considering liberal Christian to be real Christians. This had relatively little political impact for a long time, but in the 1960s that began to change. Conservative Christians in the wake of WWII became utterly convinced that Satan wanted to literally destroy the USA -- not kidding -- as in WWII was an attempt by Satan to destroy us. This was the kind of belief I grew up with, and it affects politics directly -- today. No longer do we have just a presidential election. Now its a fight against Satan himself, making every humdrum political candidate a holy ping pong in a fight between good and evil. It is understandable if people think its nutty that a lot of voters think that Democrats are under the control of demons and Satan himself. You gotta admit its quite different from judging them merely on their political stance.

That isn't why I put this thread up though. I put it up, because I'm genuinely unconnected with BLM and don't know what to make of it. Its fine if people just think that the writers of the article is a nut, yet it doesn't help assess his accusations. He accused them of wanting to introduce marxism into the country. That's a legitimate concern if true. Marxism has shown itself to be a destructive force in every country it has appeared in. The cute idea of everyone sharing everything turns into a nightmare of bloodletting and killing all religious people, and yes religious people get massacred -- not for fake -- not in our imagination but for real. We're all just lined up and shot in country after country. This is not a joke, and nobody just farted it out. It happens. Nobody has addressed this seriously. BLM claims to support Marxism, and this is a problem if true.

 

[Stevicus]

On facebook a relative posted a link to this article by someone calling themselves Gen. Michael Flynn.

Gen. Michael Flynn: If we don't act, 2% of the people are about to control the other 98%

He claims that there is an organized effort to drive God and prayer out of our churches, associates this with the Black Lives Matter movement and says the police are our defense against totalitarianism. He finishes his article by saying we must challenge every politician and always support our police. Some alarming quotes follow from the linked article:

"There is now a small group of passionate people working hard to destroy our American way of life. Treason and treachery are rampant and our rule of law and those law enforcement professionals who uphold our laws are under the gun more than at any time in our nation’s history."

"If the United States wants to survive the onslaught of socialism, if we are to continue to enjoy self-government and the liberty of our hard-fought freedoms we have to understand there are two opposing forces: One is the 'children of light' and the other is the 'children of darkness.' "

"They are also intent on driving God out of our families, our schools and our courts. They are even seeking the very removal of God from our churches, essentially hoping to remove God from our everyday lives."


These are just three of the many claims made against BLM in this article. Is this what BLM means when it says "We are trained Marxists?" What, exactly, are the aims of BLM? Does it, in fact, believe in marxism? Does it aim to drive God out of our families, schools and our courts? If so, why? If not then why does a US General believe this?

Maybe as he claims BLM is merely a marxist bloody uprising falsely claiming to be a movement for the benefit of black Americans. That appears to be the gist of this article. If you know something this is a chance to comment and to reply to the charges.

I don't believe that they're Marxists, trained or otherwise.

The FBI used to say that the Civil Rights and anti-war movements were infiltrated and controlled by communists. Some people even thought the Beatles were a communist plot.

So, anytime someone says that this group or that group is "communist," one has to take it with a grain of salt and just consider it so much red baiting. It's almost kind of ludicrous in this day and age, 30 years after the end of the Cold War, that people are still red baiting and trying to drum up another "Red Scare."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Quite a few people on the right disagree with you on that.

Many of them also believe wearing a mask is a fundamental assault on their rights and oppression comparable to that suffering by the Jews under Nazi Germany.