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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I never changed any tune.
Why twist my statement.
Go back and see what I said, and for convenience I will repeat my scientific observed fact.
A Trans man can never conceive a child at a trans woman.
What you did now is an attempt to tell me I am somehow wrong, because there are trans Men who eventually reversed trans, and became pregnant.
Well, again, this information actually strengthened my point that a Trans woman, CAN NEVER CONCEIVE!
How anyone can debate the above facts in a way as was produced by you is beyond my understanding.
You certainly did change the goal posts. You started off saying that trans women can't have children. Then later, you changed it to "Transgender Man can conceive a child with a Transgender Woman."


I guess you didn't also bother reading the stuff about uterine transplants as well. :shrug: You don't strike me as someone willing to learn anything that goes against what you already believe.


And you still avoided the point.
I guess I have to ask again ... who cares if a person can reproduce? What on earth does that have to do with anything at all? Is a woman's entire worth wrapped up in her ability to reproduce? If that's the case, you're dismissing an awful lot of women as unwomen or whatever it is you're trying to point out.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I also do not have a problem with any Trans XYZ,
I have a problem if a Trans Woman tell me they are real women, for such is an impossible claim...
Why? What's it to you?

Then goes out and competes agains true women.
Or I have a problem with some woman who could not get children, for some reason, telling me I am bad because she thinks "I said she is not a woman". (which is obviously not what I said in the first instance)
Okay, so you don't like trans people because they can't reproduce. Why that matters, you won't say.

And you don't like trans people because you think that they're trying to compete against "true women." Have you got any evidence for this claim? Is this a big problem that needs addressing because there are so many people doing it? Or are we simply talking about school children being allowed to play on the team of the gender they identify with, something that harms absolutely no one?

...and Just as a trans man tries to tell me they are a man, for it is equally impossible.
Your opinion.

And any person attempting to deny the scientific fact that the female gender, or sex, determines if she can give birth to a human, and the male gender or sex, can deliver sperm to the female sex, or gender, to achieve this pregnancy, is frankly denying science!
Again with this. Why do you care so much if people can reproduce or not? Why is that any of your business?

The real fact about Trans people are as follow.
You are a Man, who would like to pretend to be a woman, for some or other reason, or you are a woman, who would like to pretend to be a Man, for whatever reason.
This is not a fact.

You can NEVER change your sex, or your gender.
Any attempt to give long winded, and twisted discussions on why and how, simply stops at:
What is the Male and female gender's and sex' function.
Boy making girl pregnant, and Girl making baby.
This is also not a fact evidence by the fact that trans gendered people exist and have had gender reassignment surgery.

Life is so simple, science is true, Biology works,
all the other reasonings is dismissable theories not worth the efford discussing it further.
So, untill you find a pregnant Trans Woman, who was made pregnant by a Trans Male....
The discussion is closed.
The thing that you should have learned from this long discussion is that life isn't so simple and black and white, including biology. I think another poster even flat out pointed that out to you.
Sex and gender aren't so clear cut and binary as you make them out to be and that is backed by science. You've apparently already long-forgotten about intersex people.

This discussion is indeed closed if you refuse to learn and instead fall back onto your pre-conceived notions.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
There's nothing unscientific about it. Trans people exist, scientifically. You are the one denying science right now.


Why is it so hard for you to wrap your head around this? Go look up a dictionary. Gender has always been defined as a social construct that is distinct from sex. When we talk about transgender people, the clue is in the name. Trans-GENDER. Hence, we are talking about GENDER, not SEX.

This is not difficult to grasp. For further proof of this, and further indication that your argument is nonsensical, when you pass by a person on the street who is tall, muscular and wears a beard, do you think to yourself:
"That person is a man."
Or
"I cannot identify if that person is male or female unless I directly observe them either empregnating a woman or being impregnated and giving birth."?

You, along with any sane person, would do the former, despite that fact that you have no idea exactly what the contents of that person's pants are. By doing this, you are acknowledging that there are aspects to gender identity that are divorced from simple biology. You literally make this assessment on your head every single day.

This is really not that hard or complicated if you actually try to think about it. I would be happy to explain in more detail or answer any questions you have if it would help.
As I said, Any further discussions on this topic is simply an attempt to force any intellectual scientific facts into silly fairytales of persons who can believe to be anything, and I should comply with a guilty conscience that the true facts are now distorted by means of forced propaganda.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
As I said, Any further discussions on this topic is simply an attempt to force any intellectual scientific facts into silly fairytales of persons who can believe to be anything, and I should comply with a guilty conscience that the true facts are now distorted by means of forced propaganda.
Once again, science acknowledges the difference between sex and gender, and the overwhelming scientific consensus is that gender dysphoria is real, and the best treatment for it is gender transition.

You are the one adopting the anti-science position.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
You certainly did change the goal posts. You started off saying that trans women can't have children. Then later, you changed it to "Transgender Man can conceive a child with a Transgender Woman."
What makes that so pathetic, transmen and women often and frequently cannot perform sexually as their birth sex, even pre-op.
Me, I'm not getting anyone pregnant because I can't really get a full erection for penetration anymore, and semen production isn't there.
Amd transmen? They get to be where they can't be easily penetrated.
Things get to the point where they just don't work like our birthsex. And that's just great. Our brains aren't "wired" to perform like that anyways.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
What makes that so pathetic, transmen and women often and frequently cannot perform sexually as their birth sex, even pre-op.
Me, I'm not getting anyone pregnant because I can't really get a full erection for penetration anymore, and semen production isn't there.
Amd transmen? They get to be where they can't be easily penetrated.
Things get to the point where they just don't work like our birthsex. And that's just great. Our brains aren't "wired" to perform like that anyways.

And what I can’t understand is why this is the thing that should determine whether or not some elementary school kid can play soccer or not.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Amd transmen? They get to be where they can't be easily penetrated.
Yup. Years of testosterone causes the vaginal tissue to atrophy and cannot produce much lubrication. Even the texture and consistency of the sexual fluid changes to be more like a male's and that's no good for penetration. Most of us aren't going to be happy to use that part before transitioning due to dysphoria, anyway. It's a useless organ to us.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Yup. Years of testosterone causes the vaginal tissue to atrophy and cannot produce much lubrication. Even the texture and consistency of the sexual fluid changes to be more like a male's and that's no good for penetration. Most of us aren't going to be happy to use that part before transitioning due to dysphoria, anyway. It's a useless organ to us.
I've been so unhappy using mine I learned it's rather distressing on many levels for both when the "guy" goes soft and limp during penetration (and nothing like health or age or anything else that would more typically cause such impotency). Stressful doesn't even begin to describe such a moment.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I've been so unhappy using mine I learned it's rather distressing on many levels for both when the "guy" goes soft and limp during penetration (and nothing like health or age or anything else that would more typically cause such impotency). Stressful doesn't even begin to describe such a moment.
I've tried using those parts of me sexually, too. My mindset was "well, it's what I'm stuck with now so I might as well try to enjoy it somehow, right?". That didn't work and I don't want to it do again. The last times I tried that sort of sex, it was very painful and caused bleeding. I was always severely uncomfortable with those parts and that just made it worse. I just want a normal heterosexual relationship with a woman. That's what I originally wanted from the beginning, anyway.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I've tried using those parts of me sexually, too. My mindset was "well, it's what I'm stuck with now so I might as well try to enjoy it somehow, right?". That didn't work and I don't want to it do again. The last times I tried that sort of sex, it was very painful and caused bleeding. I was always severely uncomfortable with those parts and that just made it worse. I just want a normal heterosexual relationship with a woman. That's what I originally wanted from the beginning, anyway.
I still remember all the times I had "blue balls." I think most guys are overly hyper-extremely-sensitive to testicle pains, but that one is actually pretty nasty.
Even sex with a guy was hard, because there's still things inevitably male that kill it for me.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Even sex with a guy was hard, because there's still things inevitably male that kill it for me.
I can relate there, too. I have many insecurities about not being good enough to please a straight woman because of the reality of my body, on top of the dysphoria. But thankfully that seems to mostly be my problem as women don't tend to be as uppity about those things as men are, at least from what I can tell from conversations with them about it.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I can relate there, too. I have many insecurities about not being good enough to please a straight woman because of the reality of my body, on top of the dysphoria. But thankfully that seems to mostly be my problem as women don't tend to be as uppity about those things as men are, at least from what I can tell from conversations with them about it.
I don't know how common this is, but myself, though the changes estrogen has brought to my body have been great (rather than filled with dread and discomfort with male puberty), sexually I'm way more insecure about having male parts. Having breasts, well, they're boobs so it often sucks having them but at the same time it's more like a "right fit" and I don't think about them (until something thwacks them or a guy stares at them), and it's certainly not a nagging thing constantly bringing me down like my beard shadow (especially as it was before i started waxing).
And to continue the conversation into genetics we started earlier, is it something you you've heard that some trans people find it easier to find clothes in the size of the gender they identify as? For me, men's clothes don't fit right and my size has always been so weird that I used to have to catalogue order jeans before online shopping became much a thing (and I learned how to use it). Women's clothing? Shoes are bit harder to find, but I can walk into any store and find a selection of jeans to choose from, amd the shoulders actually fit where shoulders are supposed to fit (tops that accent my breasts still feel weird though). And I'm not one of those small MtFs who blend in because they're short enough to look normal.
I've also had many doctors and other specialists here in California think I've had surgery already to remove the Adam's apple. I just never developed one. My pointer finger is longer than my ring finger, I have small hands and feet for some my size and born male with a male puberty, and I've met bunches of women with bigger or close to the same size hands.
 
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