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Final Authority

James2028

Member
The Original Only Theory
presents a 99.99% probability.
The Purified Text Theory
presents a 100% infallibility.
 

James2028

Member
The Purified Text Theory
answers the questions
of Bible canonization.

The Record Theory
answers the questions
of final canonization.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Historically and logically Theology
is the master university science.
The central critical issue in academic
Theology is final authority.
The thesis and antithesis of final authority
is Sola Scriptura vs. Sola Ecclesia.
The Purified Text Theory
answers the questions
of Bible canonization.

The Record Theory
answers the questions
of final canonization.
This is nothing more than BS dressed up in faux-academic language. It works under the supposition of sola scriptura, and under the supposition that there is some “supremely-authoritative” bible in heaven that is infallible. And, since all 1611 KJV bibles on earth concur with this “heavenly version,” All earthly versions, having been “purified” of their human errors, are also infallible. (Presumably, this gives justification for the belief that the KJV Bible fell out of the sky, having been authored by God.)

Since the heresy of sola scriptura only came about during the reformation, this can be seen as a challenge to the authority of the church (which also runs afoul of what we know of ecclesiology).

It’s a cheap attempt to lend credibility to the biblical infallibility/sola scriptura crowd. Of course, they’re welcome to believe whatever they wish, but their claims (and these) are highly disingenuous.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Authority rests with the church, which is the Body of Christ, and who wrote, edited, compiled, and canonized the texts as part of its Holy Tradition. The church has never relied solely on the texts. In fact the canon was never meant to be the final word on what could be considered “scripture.” It was only intended to be a suggested list of “stuff that’s ok to read in church.” Authority cannot, then, by definition, rest with the texts, themselves.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Sola Scriptura vs. Sola Ecclesia
I don't believe either one because sola means only. So "only scripture" is not true. God still gives revelation outside of scripture although it cannot contradict the scriptures which are revelations that came before.
 

James2028

Member
Psalms 12:6-7 was written before 1611,
so was 2 Timothy 3:16.

I am not a 1611 only.
I believe all scripture is given by
inspiration of God.
 
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James2028

Member
The church did not preserve
God's words, God did.
Psalms 12:6-7
6 The words of the Lord are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth,
purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
thou shalt preserve them from this
generation for ever.
 

James2028

Member
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all
that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according
to the scriptures.
4 And that he was buried, and that
he rose again the third day according
to the scriptures.
 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Very immature.
Psalms 12:6-7 was written before 1611,
so was 2 Timothy 3:16.

I am not a 1611 only.
I believe all scripture is given by
inspiration of God.
Pot, meet Kettle. Anyone who’s worth their scholastic salt knows that when referencing a single Psalm, “Psalm” is written in singular form, not “Psalms 12.”

They were all written before 1611.

I have a pretty good idea what you’re about. You’re a KJV only, the Bible is infallible and fell out of the sky, sola scriptura fundamentalist, judging from your posts on other forums. I’d be willing to bet that, for you, “all scripture” stops at 66 books. No Maccabees, no Wisdom, no Sirach, no Thomas.

No matter your opinion of my posts, the idea put forth in your OP is untenable, not supported by the facts, and biased.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The church did not preserve
God's words, God did.
Psalms 12:6-7
6 The words of the Lord are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth,
purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
thou shalt preserve them from this
generation for ever.
Belief, not factually proven.

The Bible is not “God’s words.” No bible scholar worth his salt believes that. “Inspiration” And “God’s actual words” are two different things.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all
that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according
to the scriptures.
4 And that he was buried, and that
he rose again the third day according
to the scriptures.
Apropos of nothing where this debate is concerned. Please don’t start the annoying habit of bombing the thread with a plethora of random bible passages taken out of context, in order to show us that you “know your bible.”
 

James2028

Member
I am not a KJV Only.
I am not an Original Only.
I believe all scripture is given
by inspiration of God.
I believe the Lord preserved his words
and purified them in a furnace of earth,
seven times.
 
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James2028

Member
It is dishonest to call a book
infallible scripture given by
inspiration of God, when you actually
believe that only the original autographs
were infallible scripture given by
inspiration of God.
KJV by good words and fair speeches
deceive the hearts of the simple
 

James2028

Member
Sola Ecclesia sacramental Catholics
added books into the O.T. canon.
No orthodox Jew ever included these
books in canon.

Bible Christians have the same O.T.
books as the Jewish canon.
Both Catholics and Mormons
have added books to the Holy Bible.
 

James2028

Member
Here is my first point.
It is dishonest to call the contents
of a book infallible scripture given
by inspiration of God, when you
actually believe that only the original
autographs were infallible scripture
given by inspiration of God.

There are no original autographs.
There never was an original Bible containing the original autographs.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Sola Ecclesia sacramental Catholics
added books into the O.T. canon.
No orthodox Jew ever included these
books in canon.

Bible Christians have the same O.T.
books as the Jewish canon.
Both Catholics and Mormons
have added books to the Holy Bible.
This is peurile thinking. ALL churches are “bible churches,” because all churches use and revere the Bible. It’s a false distinction.

Given what the canon was meant to be, additions aren’t nearly the emergency you make them out to be.

Unless, of course, you’re into bibliolatry and imbue the texts with more authority than they were intended to have. Historically, “Bible” has been a rather fluid concept.
 
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