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Featured Female Pastors? is it Biblical

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by 101G, Nov 13, 2019.

  1. 101G

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    first thanks for the reply, see my post #11
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    thanks for the reply, just google it, prophetess: a female prophet.

    Now let's look at it biblically,
    H5031 נְבִיאָה nbiy'ah (neɓ-ee-yaw') n-f.
    1. a prophetess.
    2. (generally) inspired woman.
    3. (by implication) a poetess.
    4. (by association) a prophet's wife.
    [feminine of H5030]
    KJV: prophetess.
    Root(s): H5030

    did you see definition #2, now the definition states, feminine of H5030. ok what's H5030? let's see.

    H5030 נָבִיא nabiy' (naw-ɓee') n-m.
    1. a prophet.
    2. (generally) inspired man.
    [from H5012]
    KJV: prophecy, that prophesy, prophet.
    Root(s): H5012

    well, well,well, an inspired woman, an inspired man

    but in christ JESUS there is neither male or female. so prophet is neither ..... in CHRIST JESUS.

    thank for your question, hope this help.

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    I would go beyond post #11 to say:

    1) Phoebe was lauded even before Prisca and Aquila, who saved Paul's LIFE!

    2) Men were told several times in the NT to "do whatever X woman tells you to do!"

    3) Women judged Israel and ruled Israel as Queen!

    4) Etc.

    However, as you said in post #11, a man could be an elder. Women cannot be pastors/elders/presbyters/bishops. I take that Phoebe a church "servant" was a servant leader or deacon.
     
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    I think there has been a misunderstanding.

    I never claimed that women were incapable of being "prophetesses". I don't know why you believe that I did.

    The only thing I pointed out was that the Biblical verse you referenced does not mention female prophets, only male prophets.

    The story of Jesus as a child being presented at the Temple clearly teaches that women can be prophetesses.

    However, I would argue that a prophetess cannot serve as a pastor/priest/bishop/elder.

    They cannot hold the Priesthood so they cannot serve in these roles.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all.
    thanks for your reply, but please post scripture that states that "women in christ Jesus cannot be pastors?".
    as for our sister Phebe, the term servant can in addition to what you said as "Deacon" can also be translated as "MINISTER" for it is the Greek word,
    G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n.
    1. an attendant, a servant.
    2. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties).
    3. (specially) a male Christian serving in a specific function and post (i.e. tending the widows and the poor, teaching, pastoring, etc).
    [probably from an obsolete diako “to run on errands”]
    KJV: deacon, minister, servant

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    Thanks for the reply. but I must disagree with that assessment. Pastoring is a "GIFT", the Spirit, and it is poured out on all flesh who recieve. and God is no respector of Person.

    now are you perpaired to say God only Give the pastoral Gift, which is found in 1 Cor 12:8, only to men? I hope not. God is no respector of Person, and there is no male nor female in christ Jesus. so God don't discriminate. thank God of that.


    you said, "a prophetess cannot serve as a pastor/priest/bishop/elder". why not? do not prophet and prophetess "PREACH?", yes, do not prophet and prophetess "TEACH?", yes.

    all prophet "Preach" and "Teach".

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    I don't think I have heard of the gift of "pastoring". Perhaps I know ti by a different name?

    Anyone can preach and teach with guidance from the Holy Spirit, but only those with Priesthood authority can organize, officiate and preside over any congregation.

    It has nothing to do with discrimination. God's House is a house of order. Undivided.
     
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    First, thanks for the reply, second, I'm not saying anything if you agree or not. I'm only asking you to produce the scripture under the NT covenant that prohibit a woman from serving as priest, or officiate and preside over any congregation. scripture please.

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    we see that many don't understand that Pastoring is a Gift, not some office holder. nor do many understand that being a prophet is a gift, or a teacher, preacher ect..... other words the "Gifts" of the HOLY SPIRIT, (the Lord Jesus), are a "Work".

    example, the apostle Paul had the gift of Pastor, prophet, and teacher, which he was also a preacher and evangelist. elder, overseer/bishop.

    this "GIFT" is the Lord Jesus himself, in his glorified state, (the Spirit, the Holy Spirit). and the "Gifts of the Spirit are found in 1 Corinthians 12:7 -11, and the pastoral Gift is the first on the list at verse 8. for this was foretold by the prophet Joel, and realized on the day of Pentecost. and this "Gift", the HOLY SPIRIT, is given to all who call unpon his name. Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." here the apostle Peter made it clear that gender, or social status, or any other worldy requirements was "NOT" necessary. it is a free Gift.

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    Every scholar takes "diakonos" as deacon/deaconess, and Bible churches appoint women accordingly.

    We've already discussed scripture that states only men can be elders, including "husband of one wife" which is not "wife of one husband", verses on headship and (contextual) silence in church, etc.

    I recommend https://www.amazon.com/Study-Guide-...CT1T6SZH4HM&psc=1&refRID=WNCK4STD6CT1T6SZH4HM
     
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    First thanks for the reply, second I had a scholar to say, and we quote, "scholar lie". and he was a scholar himself. which is nothing new.

    if we discussed such things ... "scriptually, I must have missed it with your conclusion. but one question where dose the scripture states that the bishop must be married at all? please post it.

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    I believe it isn't because they are more deserving but simply it keeps the order of things that God ordained. Now if a woman wants to become a man in her next life and God will allow it she could then be a pastor. Since God has allowed me to be a man in this incarnation then I don't try to act like a woman.
     
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    first thanks for the reply. well I'm glad you said, "it isn't because they are more deserving", thank God.
    but you said, "simply it keeps the order of things that God ordained". how is that?
    LAST,
    I want touch the part on incarnation.
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    I believe as Paul put it Adam was created first and then Eve as a helpmate. It was Adam who was given instructions by God and the his responsibility to convey them to Eve.

    I believe it is better for you to stay away from a subject you don't know well.
     
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    thanks for the reply, but I'll stick to what I have posted.
    in a marriage a wife is a helpmeet, and there are reasons for that, but every woman is not married. in the church of the Lord Jesus there is neither male nor Female, thanks for the warning, but no thanks.

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    I don't understand. You do not know the scriptural limiter to "not more than one wife"? The biblical pastor may be unmarried or have one wife, and may not be a polygamist. That alone clarifies that the pastor may not be a woman. "He must not have more than one wife... he must not be a drunkard... he must not be a brawler..." In that culture, would a lot of women be "brawlers"?
     
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    GINOLJC, to all.
    First thanks for your reply. Second, it’s you who don’t understand, let us explain. #1. a pastor is to feed the flock of God. Supportive scripture, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.". now knowing this, and since you insist on believing a pastor/bishop have to be married, listen. The apostle Paul who wrote this epistle was a bishop/pastor and he was not married. How do we know this? He himself tells us. Scripture, 1 Corinthians 13:1 & 2 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." 2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

    There it is, the apostle is a Pastor as well, he have all “KNOWLEDGE” and all “UNDERSTANDING”, and what do a Pastor do? Again, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.". and do not a bishop “TEACH” yes, the teaching and preaching is the way of the feeding. so do the apostle Paul, who preach and teach, in all the churches. Scripture, 1 Corinthians 4:17 "For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church." is the apostle Paul a preacher too? yes, a preacher also, 1 Timothy 2:7 "Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." there it is, he also a preacher and teacher, to FEED the flock of God.

    So if you want to stand on that a bishop/pastor must be married, then you have no leg, nor scripture to stand on.

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    Huh? It's a limiter: "husband of one wife OR bachelor/widower of no wife". "The pastor must be the husband of [not more than] one wife" meaning "bachelors or marrieds, but no polygamists".

    This pastor/shepherd/feeder must be male and not female. Thanks.
     
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    first thanks for the reply. second you said, "not more than] one wife" meaning "bachelors or marrieds, but no polygamists", ok where do it say that in the verse? the verse says, 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" where do it say a bishop can be single/bachelor as you said? well....... or did you deduce this out of reasonable thinking? it's not in the scriptures where it says, "a bishop can also be a single/bachelo?r". it dose not say that.

    so you used reasonable thinking, didn't you, to come to that conclusion. so when the verse say a man must be the wife of one husband, cannot also from the same verse if it be a woman desiring the same work, using reasonable thinking would it be safe to deduce that she would have to have one husband? that's if a woman desire the same work.

    because the term "man" in verse 1 is the Greek word, G1536 εἰ τίς ei tis (ei tiys') cond. which means,
    if any.
    [from G1487 and G5100]
    KJV: he that, if a(-ny) man('s thing, from any, ought), whether any, whosoever
    Root(s): G1487, G5100

    which is from G5100 τίς tis (tiys') p:i. WHICH MEANS some or any person or object.
    SO, IS NOT A WOMAN A "PERSON?". see your error now.
    now if you say no, then you have a big problem, because Paul who is a Bishop was not Married.
    you can pick your choice of which road you want to go down.

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    We did an in-depth study through this entire book, which explains all and delves into the Greek: https://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Eldership-Urgent-Restore-Leadership/dp/0936083115

    A woman is a person but cannot have a wife (lesbian) and lead God's church. "Husband of one wife" is "one or less" in my understanding, and in your understanding it should be only slightly different, a married MAN.

    Reasonable thinking and logic cannot reverse gender. That is one issue with the transgender movement, where many are experiencing horrific harm, loss and suicide.

    Even if we go with "man" as "person/gender neutral" this "person" has a female WIFE, and the Bible forbids and condemns lesbian activity, for example, Romans 1. I imagine if you look at the Greek "husband" you won't get "person" but "man who has a wife".
     
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