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Featured Female Pastors? is it Biblical

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by 101G, Nov 13, 2019.

  1. 101G

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    Leaving? no problem, there's more for others.

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    To fully understand this question of “female pastors”, one must understand what Joel the prophet said, Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."
    This was fulfilled on Pentecost. And the Gifts, (the Pastoral) Gifts is right in Joel 2:28 & 29. also the gift Peter used on the day of Pentecost are all there in Joel, but it’s Spiritually discern

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    Where in 1 Corinthians 12:28 does it claim that any of the prophets are women?

    Isn't that your opinion, which you expressly forbade anyone from sharing?
     
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    no it's not my opinion, 1 Corinthians 12:28 states prophet. and a prophetess is a female prophet, as a male is a prophet. BINGO. so again, no opinion just fact.

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    To all who cannot comprehend the, “Female” Pastors, it’s right before your eyes, but one need the Spirit to reveal it. For pastoring is a “GIFT”, and the GIFT is God, JESUS, himself, the Holy Spirit. For there is only ONE PASTOR in the church of the Lord Jesus and he himself is this gift. when he was poured out on Pentecost the Pastoral Gift was given. And all the gifts are listed in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 with the Pastoral gift first on the list.

    And the Gift is JESUS, the Lord in his glorified state, Per John 14:16

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    I don't understand your objection above.

    Paul was likely a widower (he writes about sexual intimacy between married couples with authority and clearly, personal experience), but the "one wife" is a limiter to males, obviously, on its face. There are further explanations that the pastor/elder is to be his family's leader, confer with male family headship elsewhere throughout both testaments.
     
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    Verses 25-33 are clearly about all Christian marriages, and are not specifically proscriptive or descriptive of what constitutes a pastor.

    What was indeed specified is that an elder may have one wife (or no wife) forcing either an acceptance of lesbian elders (in the ancient world where homosexual marriage was disallowed) or male elders only.
     
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    " 32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. "
     
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    First, thanks for the reply, second, my Objective is that these qualification was directed at men who desire the office. NOT CALLED OF GOD FOR THE POSITION, BUT DESIRED THE OFFICE. For if it was directed at women, then it would have been the wife of ONE HUSBAND, see it now.

    Understand, if the qualification was to be married only, (which it don’t say that), then many would have not been in that position (who was single). Peter was an Elder who is a overseer, that is a bishop, and pastor and he was married. Supportive scriptures, 1 Peter 5:1 "The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:"
    And elders are overseers who are bishops that feed the flock of God. (see Acts 20:28).

    Paul himself who was in that same position, a bishop/Pastor/Overseer he was not married. (see 1 Corinthians 13:2).

    So one can see from context of scriptures that the qualification is just directed at males, no directed at everyone.

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    I don't remember pastors, of any gender, being mentioned in the Bible.

    Show me what I missed.
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    Why not?
    You believe anything you want to believe the Bible says.

    And what's really ironic about this is that you believe that the RCC has the magical power to decide which Scripture is really from God and dismiss the rest as non-canical. But when the Pope says things you prefer not to believe you just dismiss it.
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    first thanks for your reply, second, yes, Pastors have Gender, but in christ there is neither male and female. but I addressed that in the OP. now the term Pastor, it is the greek word,
    G4166 ποιμήν poimen (poi-meen') n.
    a shepherd.
    {literally or figuratively}
    [of uncertain affinity]
    KJV: shepherd, pastor

    starting with the OT a woman shepherd, Genesis 29:9 "And while he yet spake with them, Rachel came with her father's sheep: for she kept them." that's a natural Pastor, now spiritual Pastors. Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.". so a bibical Pastor is a Gift of the Spirit, God. and as stated Pastors feed the flock of God with "Knowledge" and "Understanding".
    Now ne testament both man and women are Pastors. scripture, amoung the many hats that the apostle Paul wore, he was a pastor also. 1 Corinthians 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." here the apostle tells us that he is also a Pastor, and a prophet, because he also have the gift of prophecy. now a female "bishop"/PASTOR, Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:" the term "helper here is the Greek word
    G4904 συνεργός sunergos (sïn-er-ğos') adj.
    a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor.
    [from a presumed compound of G4862 and the base of G2041]
    KJV: companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow

    do you know what "coadjutor" means? look it up, it means a bishop who helps another bishop with the right of succession. while online you can quickly go to dictionary.com and look up the word.

    so right there in the book of Romans you have a female Pastor/bishop. and you do know that she and her husband corrected/fed the minister apollos , read starting at Acts 18:24.

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    The mystery is revealed in the passage, Jesus and believers is pleasure, like a married couple experience--intense pleasure. The passage has NOTHING to do with an elder "being the husband of [one or less female wives]."
     
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    what about fighting and dovorces? and Jesus and Paul suggesting not to get married at all?
     
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    No, the qualification is a limiter. One wife or none (Paul). The word "elder" appears many times in both testaments, always male. You are forgetting other scriptures teaching the complementarian view of headship as well as specific "he must be, he must, he must..." elder verses, never "she" or "they" or "people".
     
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    first thanks for the reply, second, correct, "No, the qualification is a limiter. One wife or none (Paul)", I believe I have said that, thanks.
    "elders" only refere to males, lets see, 1 Timothy 5:2 "The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.". but if you refer in authority, only God is the authority and women was in authority OT as well as NT, so that assessment want fly. as to headship, in a marriage, but is they, the husband and wife not ONE?. headship is not rulership. headship in marrage is the first to serve. for they are one, and the wife equally "help" the husband. so that headship want fly either.

    but what will fly is this, Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

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    What do those things have to do with the Bible says "an elder can have one wife or none, therefore, an elder must be male"?
     
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    An "elder" is a synonym for pastor, bishop and presbyter. The last three are men only.

    In what sense is their neither male nor female? Are you familiar with the Talmudic practice of praying to thank God one is a free male Jew? Is the Bible describing gender and sexual fluidity here? Can you think of any other verses where there are men and women who have different roles?
     
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    You missed my point, male female as natural - spiritual relations (1Cor2). and husband - wife relations.
     
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    Yet that verse does not say "prophetesses" or "female prophets". It says "prophets"

    And, as you said, the term "prophet" applies to a male.

    This verse claims that God has set up men who are prophets. Not women.
     
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