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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Wasp, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. Scott C.

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    I believe God has revealed through scripture that these things are not right. To answer your question fully I would need to address 1) which scriptures address the subject and how (that would be pretty straight forward), 2) explain why I believe in God and accept those scriptures as truth (that would turn into a never ending round on faith) and 3) explain what I believe are God's reasons for giving us commandments generally and sexual commandments specifically). I could write multiple pages on any one of those and I don't really know where to go with it to answer you. :)

    It's easy for me to understand how a parent or others, who are not looking at this through my worldview and spiritual perspective on the meaning and purpose of life, would conclude as you do.
     
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    Jesus wasn't silent on homosexuality.
    Some claim Jesus never said anything about homosexuality and therefore is neutral on the topic. Not true. Jesus was unequivocal in saying that to understand marriage and the sexual union, we must go back to the beginning and see how God created humanity and to what end. (See Matthew 19 and Mark 10.) Jesus holds up the creation story in Genesis not as a quaint Sunday school lesson, but as authoritative — reminding us that God created each of us male and female, each for the other. And the sexual union that God created and ordains is for husband and wife to come together in physical union, one flesh.
     
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    What Jesus means that Adam was a combination on masculine and feminine before he was divided.
     
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  4. Amanaki

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    jesus meant only man an woman can reproduce/have sex, not same gender
     
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    Matthew 19 is the same passage I refer to in my post. He's talking about whether its Ok to divorce a woman for every reason, and to this Jesus says no only if she commits adultery. The disciples reply then that it seems better not to marry in that case. He then answers that not everybody can accept it, but he doesn't recant.

    As to whether it can be taken as a comment on homosexuality no not directly, but there are a spectrum of questions. In the Torah there is nothing against loving another man but only against the specific act of lying with another man as with a wife. Hence we have David and Jonathan, and they love each other yet are married to women. It is not considered to be evil for them to be in love in this way or even unfaithful to their wives. It is considered wrong for Ham to lie with his drunken father, Noah. An explanation is not given, but many assume that sex is reserved for reproduction. I'd say that's probably not the intent. More likely they thought that wasting seed might make a man less potent and so endanger his ability to reproduce. If that were the case then they'd have a good point, and it would put all of this into a frame that made sense.

    One good thing to bring up when Christians and other religious people raise complaints about homosexuals is that we now know, for sure, that wasting semen does not make the semen less potent. That is something ancient people did not and could not have known. They thought that a man's first son would be his best. The firstborn has this sort of bestness thing going.
     
  6. Samantha Rinne

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    They're not afraid of homosexuality. I myself am LGBT, and a devout Christian. Yes, I know. Impossible, you say. I also worship in a church that has seemingly contradictory message about homosexuality, they support homosexuals themselves, contributing to AIDS research and asking members not to judge LGBT people in their households, while at the same time being opposed to gay priests and gay marriage. The statement made here is that homosexuality is a sin and should not be considered otherwise, yet all of us are sinners so LGBT members are a thing. They just tend not to be ordained members.

    What they are afraid of, however, is an Anti-Life Agenda. And yes, I made that term up. But it fits. Basically, when you start normalizing LGBT behavior (much of what doesn't produce new offspring into the world), and you also you also legitimize grossly underage or overage relationships (pedophilia and the cougar phenomenon), what's next? Bestiality, necrophilia, dendrophilia (with trees)? I'm sure if I had enough imagination I could think of a few other ways to avoid having children. Like, inducing people to remove sexual organs due to supposed cancer risk (you know what doesn't risk cancer? Becoming pregnant). Like convincing people they "need" a sex change surgery when the end effect is sterility (I used to be trans before I decided nope, I'm genderfluid, so yeah I kinda figured this out).

    The only thing that is cool here, is safe sex with condoms, or oral sex. Or unsafe sex in a committed relationship.

    Then there's abortion, which dumb idiots say that the Bible is silent about. No, actually, there wasn't the word "abortion" as a euphemism but the Bible made it very clear that CHILD SACRIFICE was not okay. You see, whenever people lost their way, child sacrifice to Ba'al or Molech were a thing. The way they did it then was not with surgical tools but by placing the child on a clay altar of a bull with hands. The bull was basically a clay stove, and when lit would be hot enough to scorch the child. While it's okay for individuals to decide they are LGBT, it's not okay for society to tell impressionable young kids that there are 72 genders. Nor is it okay to sacrifice children to a Mother's Legally-allowed Choice.
    Read that again:
    Mother's
    Legally-allowed
    Choice
    MOLECH.
     
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    We dont doubt that you do believe such things,
    but do you believe too that your choice to select
    one particular religion and select your chosen
    interpretation thereof constitutes good and sufficient
    reason for you to ever attempt to impose
    your chosen ideas of right and wrong on others?
     
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    I'd suspect a lot of it is genetic. Religion being reflective of natural instinct.
     
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    I believe paedophilia and murder are sin. Do I "fear" them? Your OP is moot.

    Extreme fear and anger are a minority on both sides--Christians and militant homosexuals.
     
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    Not really, transgressions, sins are physical side of being human.
     
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    To me, people who are extremely homophobic must be people looking to hate someone or afraid of their own feelings. The Bible does state that homosexuality is wrong but there are so many more important things it condemns which they don't comment on. Why are they overly concerned about homosexuality but not about things which are considered more important? The Ten Commandments are more important than the laws against homosexuality. The Ten Commandments include lying, stealing, murdering, coveting, adultery and many more. They don't comment on these things even though they are more important. Also, Christians are not supposed to judge and they are supposed to love everyone. That is their most important commandment. So, I think that they enjoy jumping on the bandwagon to discriminate against people who are in the minority. Also, some pastors who spoke against homosexuality were later found to be homosexual. So, it is a hateful farce.
     
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    Yes it is possible because no human can ever be perfect. So, they can know God(s) but still have some faults.
     
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    then they are not enlightened. A person can be homosexual but to enter heaven they can not act upon the sexual attachments. but they can live as single and still be able to become enlighten
     
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    ...which has nothing to do with sexual preference. Procreation is not inexorably tied to a justification for marriage.
     
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    Jesus never uttered one thing regarding sexual preference.
     
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    Not to marriage no but to have children there must be one man and one woman. two male or two female can not produce children.
     
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    Too black and white. Enlightenment is a spectrum — a journey, not an event. Sin is, likewise, a spectrum. We’re all looking for a lighter shade of grey, not pure white.
     
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    No. It doesn’t.
     
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