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Featured Fear of homosexuality

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Wasp, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. Skreeper

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    I was wondering if you have an actual good argument why my "gay lifestyle" is immoral that does not include "because the Bible says so" or "because I think it's icky"
     
  2. Back2Love

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    In Islam the act of sodomy his haram (prohibited). Not even a husband and wife can engage in it, so this is why gay men are severely frowned upon. Of course people collate the act with the person therefore wrongly consider all gays as sodomites. The point is, its the act that should be hated, not the individual, but people dont think about it that deeply.
     
  3. Whippet

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    Everyone is a little bit gay, or could be in the right circumstances. That's where the fear comes from. There's also a large dose of predujice, judging people who are different.
    Sadly some religious institutions buy into this bigoted nonsense.
     
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    I support people who are gay as I see nothing wrong in being so, but I am definitely not gay myself.
     
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    There really isn't one from what I can see. It's mostly bigotry dressed up.
     
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    If you were stuck in a single-sex community for long enough, I'm pretty sure you'd experiment.
     
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    No I wouldn't, sex isn't a big deal where I am concerned.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    One doesn’t have to present an argument against Hitler to be able to assert that he was an evil man ...
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Now he resorts to inaccurate name-calling. This is known as the five-year-old “poo-poo head” ploy.
     
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  10. Audie

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    Too obvious, you'd think, to need mentioning.
    I see though that this is most vigorously denied
    by certain persons here. :D
    I think Shakespeare had a line to describe this.
     
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    Excuses, excuses. Still can't beat the argument so you have to continue your vacuous strawman attacks.
     
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    I was wondering on what basis the gay lifestyle is considered moral to begin with?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Nope. Not a straw man. The whole web site is devoted to a non-existent, non-efficacious, destructive, biased therapy, whose premise is fear and wishful thinking. It's not a straw man to simply point out that the page has no credibility in the biblical exegesis dept. A simple, "Yah? So?" is all the rebuttal such a web site qualifies. You need to get some much better sources if you're going to continue to argue this particular point.

    Its argument is a non-argument, because it's obvious that the author hasn't done his due diligence in textual criticism. Most scholars recognize that the translated term "homosexual" is a convenience, and not a transliteration. Most reputable biblical anthropologists know that homosexuality as an orientation -- and thereby the term "homosexuality" as it is properly known today -- was an unknown thing when the bible was written. The term cannot, therefore, mean "homosexual" as we understand it today. Paul didn't understand homosexuality the way we do (as a normal human sexual identity). Paul simply thought that all same-sex activity was "unnatural," because he didn't understand what "natural" is for human beings.

    I don't think you do, either.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Are the parties both consenting adults? Is there a commitment to the relationship? Is the coupling an expression of love? Are they married? Then it's a moral lifestyle, homosexual or no. Y'now, like any other normal, moral relationship.
     
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    It's as moral as any other relationship between twp consenting adults.

    As long as it's not detrimental to society or harms individuals why would I consider it immoral?
     
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    Adultery is between two consenting adults, and that's immoral as well as illicit gay sex hook ups.
     
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    There's going to be a whole load of 'consenting adults' who have violated God's moral laws who will be cast into the Lake of Fire at the end.
     
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    Nonsense. And your pro Sodom and Gomorrah theology is an absolute joke.
     
  19. Audie

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    Gay=immoral.

    "God" does absolute morality,
    so three is no argument, no appeal.

    I have heard about that.
     
  20. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    That's very nice.

    1) If both adults agree, it's consent. Consent is legal, and it's moral, given the other criteria I mentioned.
    2a) There is no "end," when God is eternal.
    2b) There is no "Lake of Fire," unless you're talking about Lake Eerie from about 50 years ago. And I don't think God's going to dump anyone there.

    IDK why you're blowing fantasy up our pants here. And I can't figure out what hate, disdain, or fear you must harbor to literally believe and defend these fantasies that 1) God hates part of God's creation so much that God would do that, and 2) that you simply can't live and let live, where others sex lives are concerned. It must keep you up nights -- no pun intended.
     
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