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Featured Fear of Death Fuels Religion

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Trip Bapho, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. Unguru

    Unguru I am a Sikh nice to meet you

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    There you go. Thread closed.
     
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  2. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    Well, I've spent enough time with these subjects to be confidant of my position and as in the link I provided, an afterlife belief is warranted by the evidence. I find that many atheists grab the best materialist explain-away and stick with it.....and never the twain shall meet
     
  3. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    Speaking on myself death does not fuel me nor my belief in a hereafter. Death is the inevitability of all living things and I believe religion helps to explain life but it is not the answer to life.

    "Every human being is bound to taste death: but only on the Day of Resurrection will you be requited in full [for whatever you have done] - whereupon he that shall be drawn away from the fire and brought into paradise will indeed have gained a triumph: for the life of this world is nothing but an enjoyment of self-delusion." - 3:185

    Now whether or not you hold an afterlife as a delusion is your opinion but more importantly for me I like to think that the Islamic perspective and approach of death is more pragmatic. This life is but a fleeting dream and although we live in it and exist in it, and we act in it, it is not something we ought to be fully invest in it. Although many religionists point to the hereafter I like to think what is important is what we do here, and now, in this life and what we do to make the best of our temporal existence.
     
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  4. Trip Bapho

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    A religious person saying what they believe is real.. Imagine that.
     
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    Funny, I don't think I'm the real me, but a shell of some incorporeal mind. I think physical death is less painful (considering that the method of cessation is peaceful), like being comatose, one does not think about anything as you know I'm sure. I do however think if we know about the moment of our end inevitably there is some fear but I don't think those of us who truly accept our fate in life really fear death or the loss of the "me" or "I."
     
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  6. Trip Bapho

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    Not clinging to material. Just only believe in what's fact and not just my opinion based experience.
     
  7. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    I also search for all evidence and argumentation and form my most reasonable position.
     
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    Your link does not look all that different from a flat Earth site. Have you ever considered trying to find a reliable source? One that at least tries to test their beliefs?
     
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  9. Trip Bapho

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    Yes, just as much as Muslim near death experiences can confirm teachings of Muhammad.. Christian near death experiences could confirm Jesus as God. It means nothing yet so many base these things as core facts.
     
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  10. Jollybear

    Jollybear Hey

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    You didnt answer or account for anything i said.

    That to me makes your position look utterly disbelievable.
     
  11. Trip Bapho

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    Most all Christians believe hell is real.. Yet they also believe you can be forgiven just by asking in a split second.
    So it is never a true fear.
    I can murder and steal tonight with the comfort of knowing god will forgive me in the morning.
     
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    Nope. Mine is the norm. Yours is unprovable immoral nonsense.
     
  13. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    I am sure the author holds the earth to be spheroidal actually.

    Yes, the data is considered against all evidence and argumentation. It uses open-minded skepticism to reach its position and carefully considered cases.

    If you are an atheist you might consider that you attack before reading things that seem to contradict your position.
     
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    Well the fact is no one knows.. And anyone who claims to is blindly making assumptions.
     
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    Nisargadatta Maharaj is one of my favorite of all time. It sad you cant hear his truth George.
     
  16. Firemorphic

    Firemorphic Whatever, tell me something I haven't heard before

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    I don't think the symbol is what is the important factor, it could be Christopher Hitchens for all I care, during a NDE the individual still experiences a facet of reality beyond the physical and beyond the psychological.
     
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    Religion for me gave me a stable work and stable marriage life. It kept me off drugs and alcohol. It kept me away from violence and hate. It gives me inner peace, joy, happiness and contentment. It teaches me to think for myself not follow blindly what other say. To question. It teaches me not to gamble so I am debt free. It gives me enormous vision and hope that humanity will unite and come together in peace. It has restored my faith in humanity. It gave me loving friends and companions.

    It gives me true life. Death never enters into the argument. Because of religion I have lived a good life and so I will be able to live with myself in the next realm without regrets. The worst hell for me would be throwing away all the good things in this life (like religion) because it was the popular fad at the time. What a loss for those who follow blindly those who think religion is nonsense. It won’t be me living in regret as I’m not throwing away the ‘elixir of life’ just because it’s popular to do so.

    Religion for me is no crutch to lean on but wings to fly. My life has meaning, purpose and vision and I would not barter all the treasures on earth for it.
     
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    Is it possible that it could be the other way around? Could it be that religion fuels the fear of death? Do people truly fear death, or is it the possibility of a long, agonizing period of suffering before death? But then again, if the idea is planted in people's minds that there could be even greater suffering for eternity after death, then they could feel compelled to be obedient and passive. That's what religion does. It obviously does very little to allay anyone's fear of death, but maybe its purpose is to make people afraid of life.
     
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    Thats not true. Not all christians believe that at all. Some do. But not all. There are religious folk who believe you must PREPARE.

    Your not accounting for THOSE people. What THOSE people believe is NOT comforting.
     
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    Yours is not the norm. Most Americans believe in heaven … and hell

    Further, its not about the norm, its about reality. Who cares whether the whole world believed a lie. Reality matters.

    And for someone whos telling me my view is unproven, you sure wont answer my question and account for the problem.

    As i expected, you handwave away all the evidence for a after life.

    Its about your "freedom" and about you not being "judged". Thus its about YOUR "comfort" not about religious peoples comfort.
     
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