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FBI "has been seriously and systematically abusing its warrantless electronic surveillance.....

ecco

Veteran Member
What’s a hard core right winger?
Look in a mirror. Based on your own comments - you are

You are still debating the caricature of a conservative that you have in your head.
The word "debating" in the context of this thread is meaningless. I have been addressing comments toward you in response to your own comments.

You don’t know what I think about a lot of things
You right. I don't know what you think about Disneyland or Universal Studios. I don't know what you think about steaks and pizza. I don't know what you think about Oregon or Mississippi.

However, I do know a lot about what you think about things we have been discussing. Things like politics and people who are in politics and people who discuss politics and people in politics.

which is typical of the intolerant left.
I also know that when people resort to personal attacks it's usually because they have nothing else to work with. You have certainly done that with me. So, that is another thing I know about you.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Two sentences.


One right.

It was the agencies, under President Obama, that found the Russian interference.


One wrong.

FACT CHECK: Why Didn't Obama Stop Russia's Election Interference In 2016?
After Election Day, Obama ordered the U.S. intelligence community to issue a public report about the Russian scheme. Once it had — and concluded Russia's attack was aimed at helping Trump and hurting Clinton — the United States imposed a slate of punitive measures against Moscow. In addition to imposing new sanctions, Washington also expelled a number of Russian diplomats and closed two Russian diplomatic compounds in Maryland and New York.

Batting .500 is good in baseball. In a debate, it's pathetic.
“After Election Day” is a little late for Obama to act!
A swing and a miss! :laughing::laughing::laughing:


Senate Report Faults 'Paralysis' By Obama Team On 2016 Russian Election SchemeSenate Report Faults 'Paralysis' By Obama Team On 2016 Russian Election Scheme
Senate Report Faults 'Paralysis' By Obama Team On 2016 Russian Election Scheme


"Russia's attack on the 2016 presidential election caught then-President Barack Obama off guard, and he and advisers were partly paralyzed with indecision over how to respond, a new Senate report concludes.

The study by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found that the government was "not well-postured" at the time Obama's administration began to detect and assess the wave of active measures launched by Russia against the presidential race."
 
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Colt

Well-Known Member
They called Trump “racist” for his stand on illegal immigration. Why is this not even common sense: “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.” ????
 

ecco

Veteran Member
“After Election Day” is a little late for Obama to act!
A swing and a miss! :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Really?
Election day 2016: Nov 8.
Trump inaugural 2017: Jan 18.

That's 70 days. I realize Trump did nothing but play golf for most of his term. But a good president can get a lot done in 70 days. His administration can also get a lot done, like catching Mike Flynn telling the Russians that Congress' sanctions will be ignored.

All your self-embarrassed smiley faces can't change facts.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
“After Election Day” is a little late for Obama to act!
A swing and a miss! :laughing::laughing::laughing:


Senate Report Faults 'Paralysis' By Obama Team On 2016 Russian Election SchemeSenate Report Faults 'Paralysis' By Obama Team On 2016 Russian Election Scheme
Senate Report Faults 'Paralysis' By Obama Team On 2016 Russian Election Scheme


"Russia's attack on the 2016 presidential election caught then-President Barack Obama off guard, and he and advisers were partly paralyzed with indecision over how to respond, a new Senate report concludes.

The study by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found that the government was "not well-postured" at the time Obama's administration began to detect and assess the wave of active measures launched by Russia against the presidential race."
Seriously? You're citing the findings of a Republican-chaired committee?

More importantly, why are you even going there? Instead of shoring up America's response to such actions, Your Trump-wannabe-god told the world that all the intelligence agencies were wrong. Denigrating the intelligence agencies does not make them stronger, it weakens them. So, even IF Obama did nothing, it was still far better than what Trump did.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/obama-russia-election-interference-24154
Ned Price, a former spokesperson for the National Security Council, rejected the idea that the administration failed to heed warnings about Russian interference in the U.S. political system or Russian cyberespionage in general.

“The Obama administration was nothing but proactive in responding to Russian aggression in all of its forms, especially as Moscow became more brazen with and following its military moves against Ukraine beginning in 2014,” Price said, citing sanctions and increased American support to NATO as evidence of the former administration’s seriousness.​
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Really?
Election day 2016: Nov 8.
Trump inaugural 2017: Jan 18.

That's 70 days. I realize Trump did nothing but play golf for most of his term. But a good president can get a lot done in 70 days. His administration can also get a lot done, like catching Mike Flynn telling the Russians that Congress' sanctions will be ignored.

All your self-embarrassed smiley faces can't change facts.
Obama failed to do anything about the Russian interference of the 2016 election. They did inform the DNC which refused cooperation with the FBI but they didn’t inform the Trump campaign.

FBI: DNC rebuffed request to examine computer servers | CNN Politics

“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated,” a senior law enforcement official told CNN. “This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier.”
 
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Colt

Well-Known Member
Seriously? You're citing the findings of a Republican-chaired committee?

More importantly, why are you even going there? Instead of shoring up America's response to such actions, Your Trump-wannabe-god told the world that all the intelligence agencies were wrong. Denigrating the intelligence agencies does not make them stronger, it weakens them. So, even IF Obama did nothing, it was still far better than what Trump did.
Going there because your point was that Obama investigated AFTER the election was over.:sweatsmile:
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
the Russian meddling discovered in the 2016 election occurred under Obama’s watch, not Trumps. It was Obama that wasn’t taking it seriously.

Going there because your point was that Obama investigated AFTER the election was over.

Duh.

A president doesn't investigate. A president directs his agencies to investigate. When interference was found, President Obama got Congress to impose sanctions.

What did Trump do? Trump told the Russians, via Flynn, that sanctions would be lifted.
What else did Trump do? He told the world he believed Putin and that the investigatory agencies of the US were all wrong in finding Russian meddling.



Just a reminder, Trump had Flynn lie to Pence and Pence went on all the talk shows insisting that Flynn did not talk to the Russians. Then it came out that Trump and Flynn lied to Pence. That was very embarrassing to Pence.

Fast forward to 2021 and Trump wants Pence to nullify Biden's election.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/mike-pence-rejects-trumps-call-to-overturn-biden-election.html
Mike Pence rejects Trump’s call to overturn Biden election
PUBLISHED WED, JAN 6 20211:00 PM ESTUPDATED WED, JAN 6 20217:27 PM EST
A couple of phrases come to mind...
  • Payback is a *****.
  • Revenge is best served up cold.
 
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