FBI "has been seriously and systematically abusing its warrantless electronic surveillance.....

[Kooky]

It was the FBI under Obama that was abusing the FISA courts in order to undermine Trumps election. Of coarse the Left doesn't care!

FISA's scope was first expanded by the PATRIOT act, which was passed during the Bush administration. The procedural restrictions and reporting requirements placed on surveillance were loosened by the Protect America Act of 2007, another piece of legislation passed during the Bush administration. The Obama administation's Freedom Act placed some limits on the bulk collection of data, which were again lifted by the FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act of 2017.

If you want to blame someone for this, please be accurate and collectively blame Jimmy Carter, George W. Bush, Barrack Obama and Donald J. Trump, not just the one who was least responsible for the expansion of the legal power of surveillance.

By the way, it is still legal for a US government agency to wiretap the phone of every single foreign citizens who enters your country, and to spy on them for as long as that agency chooses. How's that for outrage?

But I guess to many Americans, foreign countries don't really exist except as a means to blame their problems on somebody else, and therefore, foreigners aren't real people to them, and consequentially do not deserve basic human rights.

 

[sun rise]

The report concerned ongoing FISA abuse during the last year of Trumps presidency. They were probably still spying on Trump.

I sure hope they were investigating Trump for his deeds. The right of course calls it "spying" but I call it doing their jobs.

 

[tytlyf]

Is that how you ignore uncomfortable truths?

Next time, use a real source if you want people to care. Fox is entertainment for gullibles. Some of us see right through it.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Well, they are still at it. The once esteemed FBI has been infiltrated by corruption!


Jordan, Biggs demand answers from FBI on 'widespread' FISA violations after declassified FISC opinion


EXCLUSIVE: House Republican Reps. Jim Jordan and Andy Biggs are demanding answers from FBI Director Christopher Wray after a newly declassified opinion from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court revealed "widespread" FISA violations.

Republicans, throughout the Trump administration, were vocal about abuses of FISA after the FBI obtained a FISA warrant against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page. Wray last year called the actions taken to obtain that FISA warrant "unacceptable" and told Congress they "cannot be repeated."

But, last week, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declassified an opinion from the FISC – the court with oversight of the FISA system – which Jordan and Biggs said revealed the FBI "has been seriously and systematically abusing its warrantless electronic surveillance authority."


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jordan-biggs-fbi-answers-fisa-violations-declassified-fisc-opinion

I was being serious about surveillance is good.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Next time, use a real source if you want people to care. Fox is entertainment for gullibles. Some of us see right through it.

Like CNN. Right? "0]

 

[We Never Know]

Well, they are still at it. The once esteemed FBI has been infiltrated by corruption!


Jordan, Biggs demand answers from FBI on 'widespread' FISA violations after declassified FISC opinion


EXCLUSIVE: House Republican Reps. Jim Jordan and Andy Biggs are demanding answers from FBI Director Christopher Wray after a newly declassified opinion from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court revealed "widespread" FISA violations.

Republicans, throughout the Trump administration, were vocal about abuses of FISA after the FBI obtained a FISA warrant against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page. Wray last year called the actions taken to obtain that FISA warrant "unacceptable" and told Congress they "cannot be repeated."

But, last week, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declassified an opinion from the FISC – the court with oversight of the FISA system – which Jordan and Biggs said revealed the FBI "has been seriously and systematically abusing its warrantless electronic surveillance authority."


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jordan-biggs-fbi-answers-fisa-violations-declassified-fisc-opinion

A "declassified opinion"!

I didn't even know they classified opinions. Do they classify thoughts too?

On another note, are you just becoming aware? There are face recognition cameras in use in a lot of places anymore. Some private, some by law enforcement.
The law also uses license plate scanners/readers too.. so in reality many people are tracked just about anywhere they go.

 

[Stevicus]

Well, they are still at it. The once esteemed FBI has been infiltrated by corruption!


Jordan, Biggs demand answers from FBI on 'widespread' FISA violations after declassified FISC opinion


EXCLUSIVE: House Republican Reps. Jim Jordan and Andy Biggs are demanding answers from FBI Director Christopher Wray after a newly declassified opinion from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court revealed "widespread" FISA violations.

Republicans, throughout the Trump administration, were vocal about abuses of FISA after the FBI obtained a FISA warrant against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page. Wray last year called the actions taken to obtain that FISA warrant "unacceptable" and told Congress they "cannot be repeated."

But, last week, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declassified an opinion from the FISC – the court with oversight of the FISA system – which Jordan and Biggs said revealed the FBI "has been seriously and systematically abusing its warrantless electronic surveillance authority."


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jordan-biggs-fbi-answers-fisa-violations-declassified-fisc-opinion

The FBI has been spying on citizens ever since the days of J. Edgar Hoover.

 

[Colt]

Next time, use a real source if you want people to care. Fox is entertainment for gullibles. Some of us see right through it.

It’s funny to watch who gets defensive about FISA court abuse.

 

[Colt]

FISA's scope was first expanded by the PATRIOT act, which was passed during the Bush administration. The procedural restrictions and reporting requirements placed on surveillance were loosened by the Protect America Act of 2007, another piece of legislation passed during the Bush administration. The Obama administation's Freedom Act placed some limits on the bulk collection of data, which were again lifted by the FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act of 2017.

If you want to blame someone for this, please be accurate and collectively blame Jimmy Carter, George W. Bush, Barrack Obama and Donald J. Trump, not just the one who was least responsible for the expansion of the legal power of surveillance.

By the way, it is still legal for a US government agency to wiretap the phone of every single foreign citizens who enters your country, and to spy on them for as long as that agency chooses. How's that for outrage?

But I guess to many Americans, foreign countries don't really exist except as a means to blame their problems on somebody else, and therefore, foreigners aren't real people to them, and consequentially do not deserve basic human rights.

Our concern over your tactics is in using the FISA court to undermine a presidential election. With morally bankrupt Leftist the ends justify the means.

 

[metis]

Fits, you didn’t bother to read that the report was just declassified last week.

I did read the report.

 

[metis]

Our concern over your tactics is in using the FISA court to undermine a presidential election. With morally bankrupt Leftist the ends justify the means.

Complete nonsense, and two of the judges who issued the warrants were Republican appointees, btw.

A FISA warrant is not an indictment but only the start of an investigation.

 

[metis]

It’s funny to watch who gets defensive about FISA court abuse.

Our concern over your tactics is in using the FISA court to undermine a presidential election. With morally bankrupt Leftist the ends justify the means.

It's quite "telling" that you would charge the "Leftist" with being "morally bankrupt" when there are so many on the right who still support and defend Trump's actions. [btw, notice that I don't use stereotypes]

BTW, you might want to check out what the Editorial Board of the WSJ just pointed out about the "Big Lie", and just a reminder that this board is conservative leaning.

 

[Colt]

Complete nonsense, and two of the judges who issued the warrants were Republican appointees, btw.

A FISA warrant is not an indictment but only the start of an investigation.

Deceiving (R) judges with op-research paid for by the DNC may be ok with you but not us.

 

[metis]

Deceiving (R) judges with op-research paid for by the DNC may be ok with you but not us.

First of all, the RNC actually was at first looking into this but then backed off, and secondly you seem to think that judges, including the Republican appointees, are so stupid that they don't know of political pressures that could be brought to bear? These judges having nothing to fear because they do not have to worry about getting elected.

FISA warrants are extremely difficult to get, especially if politicians and/or lawyers are being checked out.

 

[Colt]

First of all, the RNC actually was at first looking into this but then backed off, and secondly you seem to think that judges, including the Republican appointees, are so stupid that they don't know of political pressures that could be brought to bear? These judges having nothing to fear because they do not have to worry about getting elected.

FISA warrants are extremely difficult to get, especially if politicians and/or lawyers are being checked out.

Apparently you haven't had access to information over the past several years.

FISA Slams FBI Over Surveillance Of Trump Adviser Carter Page

The secret court that oversees foreign intelligence work rebuked the FBI and Justice Department, essentially asking for the government to prove why its judges should believe what they submit.

AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:

The FBI is facing more blowback over its surveillance of former Trump campaign advisor Carter Page. This time, the criticism comes from the secretive court that oversees foreign intelligence surveillance. It's accusing the FBI of misleading the court when seeking approval for surveillance on Page. We're joined now by NPR justice correspondent Ryan Lucas.

Welcome back to the studio.

RYAN LUCAS, BYLINE: Thank you.

CORNISH: What did the court have to say in this order today?

LUCAS: Well, first off, it's incredibly rare to hear anything from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, and this is the court that basically signs off on surveillance of Americans for intelligence surveillance purposes. It operates very much behind closed doors, so any public order is really a big deal. And in this case, we're talking about a four-page order from the court's chief judge. Her name is Rosemary Collyer, and she has some pretty sharp criticism for the FBI over its applications for surveillance on Page. She says the court makes its decisions based on facts submitted by the FBI. And in the case of Page, she says the FBI misled the court. It withheld information. Its applications were riddled with errors.

The bureau, she says, has a duty to be fully forthcoming with the court. And in Page's case, the FBI's actions were antithetical, she says, to that duty. In fact, it's handling calls into question information in other FBI applications is what the chief judge says. So she's ordering the government to say what it has done so far and what it plans to do to ensure that this does not happen again, and she's given the government a January 10 deadline to do so.

CORNISH: Why is this all happening now?

LUCAS: So remember. The Justice Department's inspector general released his big report on the early stages of the Russia investigation last week. A big part of that looked at the FBI surveillance of Page, and the inspector general documented 17 significant errors or omissions in the FBI's applications for surveillance on Page. The FBI, for example, did not inform Justice Department lawyers who oversee this whole process of information that undercut the case for surveillance on Page. A few days later, the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on the inspector general's report.

Republicans and Democrats right now, of course, don't agree on a whole lot. One thing that they did agree on in this hearing, though - people on both sides of the aisle - was the need to look at possible changes to the process for getting court's - the court's approval for foreign intelligence surveillance.

CORNISH: So you have the inspector general's report and then criticism from lawmakers and now word from the FISA court itself. Are we likely to see changes in the law?

LUCAS: You know, it's hard to say right now. It is still very early in this process. The inspector general's report just came out last week. But certainly, advocates for change are eager to seize on this opportunity right now. The American Civil Liberties Union said that Congress has to radically reform this process to increase accountability. They say that the whole process for getting surveillance from this court as it stands right now is really ripe for abuse. But national security folks say that, you know, this surveillance power is critical for the FBI. It's critical in both counterintelligence and counterterrorism cases.

But nobody is defending the errors and mistakes that were made in the case of Carter Page and documented in the inspector general's report. FBI director Christopher Wray said that he accepts the inspector general's findings. Wray says he's already vowed to make changes to how the FBI handles its applications for this kind of surveillance in order to make sure that the information that the FBI is providing the court is completely accurate and is complete. There has been rumbling, of course, from the Hill, as I said earlier, to make changes. But it really is too early at this point to say whether that will reach the critical mass to actually get something done.

CORNISH: That's NPR justice correspondent Ryan Lucas.

Thank you.

LUCAS: Thank you.

 

[metis]

Apparently you haven't had access to information over the past several years.

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FISA Slams FBI Over Surveillance Of Trump Adviser Carter Page

The secret court that oversees foreign intelligence work rebuked the FBI and Justice Department, essentially asking for the government to prove why its judges should believe what they submit.

AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:

The FBI is facing more blowback over its surveillance of former Trump campaign advisor Carter Page. This time, the criticism comes from the secretive court that oversees foreign intelligence surveillance. It's accusing the FBI of misleading the court when seeking approval for surveillance on Page. We're joined now by NPR justice correspondent Ryan Lucas.

Welcome back to the studio.

RYAN LUCAS, BYLINE: Thank you.

CORNISH: What did the court have to say in this order today?

LUCAS: Well, first off, it's incredibly rare to hear anything from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, and this is the court that basically signs off on surveillance of Americans for intelligence surveillance purposes. It operates very much behind closed doors, so any public order is really a big deal. And in this case, we're talking about a four-page order from the court's chief judge. Her name is Rosemary Collyer, and she has some pretty sharp criticism for the FBI over its applications for surveillance on Page. She says the court makes its decisions based on facts submitted by the FBI. And in the case of Page, she says the FBI misled the court. It withheld information. Its applications were riddled with errors.

The bureau, she says, has a duty to be fully forthcoming with the court. And in Page's case, the FBI's actions were antithetical, she says, to that duty. In fact, it's handling calls into question information in other FBI applications is what the chief judge says. So she's ordering the government to say what it has done so far and what it plans to do to ensure that this does not happen again, and she's given the government a January 10 deadline to do so.

CORNISH: Why is this all happening now?

LUCAS: So remember. The Justice Department's inspector general released his big report on the early stages of the Russia investigation last week. A big part of that looked at the FBI surveillance of Page, and the inspector general documented 17 significant errors or omissions in the FBI's applications for surveillance on Page. The FBI, for example, did not inform Justice Department lawyers who oversee this whole process of information that undercut the case for surveillance on Page. A few days later, the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on the inspector general's report.

Republicans and Democrats right now, of course, don't agree on a whole lot. One thing that they did agree on in this hearing, though - people on both sides of the aisle - was the need to look at possible changes to the process for getting court's - the court's approval for foreign intelligence surveillance.

CORNISH: So you have the inspector general's report and then criticism from lawmakers and now word from the FISA court itself. Are we likely to see changes in the law?

LUCAS: You know, it's hard to say right now. It is still very early in this process. The inspector general's report just came out last week. But certainly, advocates for change are eager to seize on this opportunity right now. The American Civil Liberties Union said that Congress has to radically reform this process to increase accountability. They say that the whole process for getting surveillance from this court as it stands right now is really ripe for abuse. But national security folks say that, you know, this surveillance power is critical for the FBI. It's critical in both counterintelligence and counterterrorism cases.

But nobody is defending the errors and mistakes that were made in the case of Carter Page and documented in the inspector general's report. FBI director Christopher Wray said that he accepts the inspector general's findings. Wray says he's already vowed to make changes to how the FBI handles its applications for this kind of surveillance in order to make sure that the information that the FBI is providing the court is completely accurate and is complete. There has been rumbling, of course, from the Hill, as I said earlier, to make changes. But it really is too early at this point to say whether that will reach the critical mass to actually get something done.

CORNISH: That's NPR justice correspondent Ryan Lucas.

Thank you.

LUCAS: Thank you.

Maybe reread your own article because it says that there needs to be an investigation of the process, and an "investigation" is not the same as a "conclusion". On top of that, any "errors" that might have been made may not have been intentional at all.

The reality is that you will likely continue to defend Trump no matter what he says or does, and Trump himself even bragged about how he could shoot someone in the face and still have support from his base.

BTW, did you see what a federal judge concluded with Barr? Why haven't you complained about Barr defending Trump when he misrepresented the Special Council's report? Now that would be something to complain about.

 

[Colt]

Maybe reread your own article because it says that there needs to be an investigation of the process, and an "investigation" is not the same as a "conclusion". On top of that, any "errors" that might have been made may not have been intentional at all.

The reality is that you will likely continue to defend Trump no matter what he says or does, and Trump himself even bragged about how he could shoot someone in the face and still have support from his base.

BTW, did you see what a federal judge concluded with Barr? Why haven't you complained about Barr defending Trump when he misrepresented the Special Council's report? Now that would be something to complain about.

Failing to inform the FISA court that Carter Page was a CIA asset is no oversite.

I'm not defending Trump, but that's what you are hearing apparently. That explains your clouded judgment.

 

[ecco]

The report concerned ongoing FISA abuse during the last year of Trumps presidency. They were probably still spying on Trump.

Spoken like a true sheeple. You have absolutely no way of knowing what they were doing. Even your boy Jordan didn't have access to the classified report.

 

[ecco]

It’s funny to watch who gets defensive about FISA court abuse.

So far it's just Jordan and you and one other RF poster.

 

[ecco]

"So she's ordering the government to say what it has done so far and what it plans to do to ensure that this does not happen again, and she's given the government a January 10 deadline to do so."

Another article that's months out of date. I guess that's the best you can do.

You provided no link to the article, that I could find, so there is no way of knowing what year this is about.

Oh wait. I did a text search and found it...

FISA Slams FBI Over Surveillance Of Trump Adviser Carter Page

LAW
FISA Slams FBI Over Surveillance Of Trump Adviser Carter Page
December 17, 2019 5:30 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered​

An 18-month-old article. Duh!