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FBI executes search warrant at Mar-a-Lago

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Jayhawker Soule, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. cOLTER

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    That citizens fear brutish, violent men is a natural reaction. Now the behavior is being justified and tolerated by soft on crime (D)'s all over America.
     
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    I would say that there is no one single BLM platform. There are and were all sorts of BLM beliefs. Some of them very violent. Those on the right are correct that the narrative against the police was largely false. Not always, but largely. There are some clear abuses, but black people are often more likely to be one the receiving end of attention from the police because their economic situation makes them more likely to be both offenders and victims. And then there is the perceived "us against them" mentality of both sides.

    The police situation is largely a mess because cities got to cheap and sent out hammers to deal with all of their social problems. The weaponization of police occurred largely because it was a way to save money. Well guess what? Weaponization only solves problems in one way. And it is not a good one. A mental health expert would be nice for many problems with police backup on hand would be ideal for many problems that the police face. But that is going to make policing much more expensive.

    What I think will happen is that the populace as a whole will get tired of n excessively high crime rate and we will be back to business as usual.. Perhaps even made slightly worse when it comes to violence due to the underfunding of police departments and the continued policy of using hammers to solve all problems.
     
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    Yes, and both the FBI and CIA have been problematic since the beginning of them (shortly after WWII). CIA is responsible for interfering in the affairs of other nations -- without permission from the US public or our knowledge. FBI was spying on senators from the beginning.
     
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    Remember that time when national security advisor Sandy Berger smuggled documents out of the National Archive and destroyed them?
     
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    Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI

    The FBI investigating political figures will always have partisan pushback.

    I will be curious about what is found and how this plays out. I am no fan of Trump, so am biased in this regard. But if evidence is found, evidence is found.
     
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    And there were consequences for that. If Trump did the same then he will probably not be able to run again since one of the punishments for the crime of a President illegally removing documents from the White House is an inability to run for President again.
     
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    It's a fair enough statement. However Democrats have a poor track record for finding any evidence, assuming said evidence even exists.
     
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    What makes you say that? They found more than enough evidence to impeach and convict Trump in his first impeachment. That is why the Republicans that were in charge of the trial part did not allow the presentation of any evidence at all against Trump.

    They knew that if the evidence was presented that Trump would lose. They stopped that from happening and he still lost his reelection bid.
     
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    Which is fine by me, he's a mental case. They investigated the fake Russia dossier, paid for by the DNC, for his entire presidency. Some see this as more of the same political witch-hunt. It sets a terrible precedent going forward.
     
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    If "soft on crime" means to act fairly towards all, then I'm on board. There should be no doubt whatsoever that justice is NOT blind when it comes to how minorities have been treated by our judicial system.
     
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    I'm glad you clarified this in the last sentence above.

    So well said, imo.

    I hope your prediction is wrong, but... :shrug:
     
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    I was not a "fake dossier" as it has been misrepresented continuously by the right.

    Steele got intelligence about Trump from both Russian and Dutch sources, but he couldn't verify it and he stated as such. Obama was informed of this but chose not to go public with it, especially since the 2016 election was drawing near.

    BTW, the RNC was financing it before they abandoned it after Trump got the nomination, so the DNC picked it up but they also couldn't verify it.
     
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    I just looked it up. The washington post still has an article about him being fined in 2005. He was trying to get rid of records "...about the Clinton administration's response to reports of terrorist threats in 2000 as he was preparing to respond to questions from the commission..." He would have been better off facing the commission. He lost his law license and 50,000$.
    Which bit everyone in the butt when he was impeached for something impeachable. From the time he was elected many would-be influencers never stopped talking about impeaching him. The same happened during the previous six or so presidencies. I remember people always talking about impeaching bush, clinton and bush. I remember hearing Rush Limbaugh during Clinton's first term saying the country was held hostage.
     
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  14. Jayhawker Soule

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    Dang! I was so hoping that our Trump-trumpeter got at least something right. Some folks just cant get a break. :(
     
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    What did I get wrong?


    Unauthorized removal and destruction of classified material[edit]
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    The National Archives building in Washington, D.C.
    On July 19, 2004, it was revealed that the United States Department of Justice was investigating Berger for unauthorized removal of classified documents in October 2003 from a National Archives reading room prior to testifying before the 9/11 Commission. The documents were five classified copies of a single report commissioned from Richard Clarke covering internal assessments of the Clinton Administration's handling of the unsuccessful 2000 millennium attack plots. An associate of Berger said Berger took one copy in September 2003 and four copies in October 2003, allegedly by stuffing the documents into his socks and pants.[20][21] Berger subsequently lied to investigators when questioned about the removal of the documents.[22]

    In April 2005, Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives in Washington, D.C.[23]

    Berger was fined $50,000,[24] sentenced to serve two years of probation and 100 hours of community service, and stripped of his security clearance for three years.[22][25] The Justice Department initially said Berger only stole copies of classified documents and not originals,[26] but the House Government Reform Committee later revealed that an unsupervised Berger had been given access to classified files of original, uncopied, uninventoried documents on terrorism. During the House Government Reform Committee hearings, Nancy Kegan Smith — who was the director of the presidential documents staff at the National Archives and Records Administration — acknowledged that she had granted Berger access to original materials in her office.[27]

    On December 20, 2006, Inspector General Paul Brachfeld reported that Berger took a break to go outside without an escort. "In total, during this visit, he removed four documents ... Mr. Berger said he placed the documents under a trailer in an accessible construction area outside Archives 1 (the main Archives building)". Berger acknowledged having later retrieved the documents from the construction area and returned with them to his office.[28][29]

    On May 17, 2007, Berger relinquished his license to practice law as a result of the Justice Department investigation. Saying, "I have decided to voluntarily relinquish my license. ... While I derived great satisfaction from years of practicing law, I have not done so for 15 years and do not envision returning to the profession. I am very sorry for what I did, and I deeply apologize." By giving up his license, Berger avoided cross-examination by the Bar Counsel regarding details of his thefts.[30]
     
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    Thus, Berger was prosecuted. So, should Trump be exempt?
     
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  18. Jayhawker Soule

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    Well, since you asked:
    1. being a mouthpiece for a racist, misogynist, pathological liar, and
    2. emphasizing this to the detriment of your other charming qualities.
    There is no upside to violating the Law of Holes.
     
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    No, I didn't say Trump should be exempt. Trump may not have wanted his document accidently stolen and destroyed by (D)'s going into the archives and accidently slipping them into ones socks.
     
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    But we are talking about Trump not the character of Moses.
     
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