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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Thirza Fallen, Dec 2, 2015.

  1. Rapha

    Rapha Active Member

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    Either way it doesn't matter because if World War 3 is rigged or not, 6.5 billion people are going to be wiped out over the following 10.5 years.

    Either Albert spoke to a daemon which by the way, have foreknowledge of unique terminology, hence the certain words that Albert spoke even though certain politicial structures had not defined certain words at that time; or Albert was lucky.

    Either way, WW3 will start next February whether the world likes it or not.

    Rolling eyeballs ? Really. You know i said this January on another website that fire elementals will go on a killing spree this year.
    The Rainbow dust going up in flames in the Tiawan pro-gay demonstration and China getting hit by so many factory explosions.
    Then i said watch out for misery during the first 9 days of October. Well what happened to ISIS when Russia started to bomb them ?
    i finished off with saying, by late November people would be wishing they could turn back time. PARIS 13-11-2015.

    But no one listens and many threads get deleted because the truth of the future really hurts weak mods on other sites.
     
  2. Skwim

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    Out of the 36 versions I checked 17 said 22 years and 19 said 40 years. So it's not a meaningful point you're making at all. But more importantly, and telling, is that if one looks at the translated Hebrew word for the number in question in a Bible like the ESV (English Standard Version), which says "22," Strong's gives h705 אַרְבָּעִים 'arba`iym, , the word for 40.

    So, this is in the Bible? NOPE! Making up stories to explain discrepancies may be satisfying to the believer, but they hold absolutely no water for anyone who values reason and common sense.

    And as I pointed out to Thana, "Ah ha, the old John Gill theory, which the ignores that fact that the Hebrew word, ילדה, which Gill claims to mean "brought up," everywhere else in the Bible means "gave birth to."---68 times alone in Genesis. Why this peculiar, one-time irrational translation here? Because it conveniently dispenses with the contradiction."

    Again, mere fictional supposition, "may indicate," and " it is possible" gets turned into certainty, establishing a basis for denying the contradiction. But as I said about the ridiculous claim about Merab, Michal’s older sister, making up stories to explain discrepancies may be satisfying to the believer, but they hold absolutely no water for anyone who values reason and common sense.

    An accuracy you can't even begin to validate. You're just taking it on the basis that the Bible can't be wrong. You do realize that such an argument, Begging the Question, is fallacious don't you?
     
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  3. rusra02

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    If one is searching for a reason to deny the Scriptures are inspired by God, any minor seeming discrepancy will convince you. The accuracy of numerous Bible accounts, once challenged by Bible critics, have since been shown to be accurate in every detail. Just one example: At one time, prominent scholars held that Assyrian King Sargon II, whose name appears in the Bible at Isaiah 20:1, never existed. In 1843, however, near present-day Khorsabad, Iraq, Sargon’s palace was discovered. Previously denied by Bible critics, Sargon II is now one of the best-known kings of Assyria.
     
  4. Skwim

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    Not searching at all, but Biblical contradictions often do come up when looking into the credibility of the book. And they're particularly hard to forget when you have Christian fundies constantly trying to convince everyone that everything in the Bible is true.

    The accuracy has been shown to be accurate??? Perhaps you'd like to rethink that. In any case, the notion that all the challenges to the accuracy of the bible have been put to rest, which lets you sleep roasty-toasty at night, is fine, but it simply doesn't fly in the light of day.
     
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  5. miodrag

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    Noo, it is not like that. Instead:
    After saying these words, Jesus could hear that someone in the crowd bent down picking up the rock. Without turning, he said: "Come on, Mom, how many times have I told you not to interfere when I'm preaching."
     
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  6. miodrag

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    These are not my favorite, still I would like to see them explained:

    Exodus 17,14: the "blotted" name of Amalek ended up preserved in one of the most popular books ever

    Exodus 20,13: "Thou shalt not kill" vs Exodus 32,27: "Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor."

    Leviticus 11, 5-6: hyrax and rabbit are ruminants

    Leviticus 11, 20: insects have four legs
     
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  7. CG Didymus

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    What about the Book of Daniel? Are its prophecies accurate? Was it written at the time claimed? If not, it'll go straight to the top of my all time favorite Bible error.
     
  8. Kelly of the Phoenix

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    Egypt really exists, so the Egyptian myths are true.
    Greece really exists, so the Greek myths are true.
    China ...
    Etc, etc...
     
  9. Skwim

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    I picked this one out because Answers in Genesis gives one of the worst (could it be otherwise) explanations why Leviticus 11:6 "The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you." and Deuteronomy 14:7 "However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you." are not incorrect. AiG simply lies.

    "Consider what rabbits do. They engage in an activity called cecotrophy. Rabbits normally produce two kinds of feces, the more common hard feces as well as softer fecal pellets called cecotropes. Cecotropes are small pellets of partially digested food that are passed through the animal but are then reingested. As part of the normal digestive process, some partially digested food is concentrated in the cecum where it undergoes a degree of fermentation to form these cecotropes. They are then covered in mucin and passed through the anus. The rabbit ingests the cecotropes, which serve as a very important source of nutrition for the animal.

    Is this the same as cud? In the final analysis, it is. Cud-chewing completes the digestion of partially digested food. Why would it be strange to think that centuries ago, the idea of “cud” had a somewhat broader meaning than a modern definition.

    But does the rabbit actually chew the cud? The Hebrew word translated “chew” is the word ‘alah. With any attempt to translate one language to another, it is understood that there is often more than one meaning for a given word. A cursory glace at any Hebrew lexicon reveals that ‘alah can mean go up, ascend, climb, go up into, out of a place, depart, rise up, cause to ascend, bring up from, among others. Here it carries the implication of moving something from one place to another.

    Also, most reference material on rabbit digestion says that the cecotrope pellet is swallowed whole and found intact in the rabbit stomach. However, experts have observed that rabbits keep the cecotrophe in the mouth for a time before swallowing. So even though the mucin membrane covering the cecotrope is not broken, the rabbit is able to knead it in its mouth before swallowing, possibly to enhance the process of redigestion."
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    Bald face lie
    Completely irrelevant.

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    CUD:
    Cud is a portion of food that returns from a ruminant's stomach to the mouth to be chewed for the second time. More accurately, it is a bolus of semi-degraded food regurgitated from the reticulorumen of a ruminant. Cud is produced during the physical digestive process of rumination.
    Source: Wikipedia

     
  10. corynski

    corynski Reality First!
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    Curious item at John12:23....
    Jesus replied, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds........

    Wrong...... If it dies, it dies and doesn't produce seed.
     
  11. rusra02

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    Yes, Daniel's prophecies have been proven remarkably accurate. One example is the exact year the Messiah would appear. (Daniel 9:25-27) That prophecy also foretells the Messiah would be put to death, and that Jerusalem would be destroyed. Even the most die-hard of Daniel's critics must admit that Daniel was completed well before the time Jesus appeared as the Christ.
     
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    The Bible critics who denied Sargon existed must have labeled him a "myth." That is, until he was shown to be a historical reality. And so it goes with those who deny the historicity of the Bible.
     
  13. outhouse

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    No it factually does not.

    You only showed a small example of how some myths may have a historical core.

    Much has been proven false by all credible standards. You have always refused credible knowledge on these topics.
     
  14. outhouse

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    Do you have any source these were not biblical theist who also made this claim?


    Not only that, what does the bible say about said character that is even accurate?
     
  15. Muffled

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    I believe the JW's like to demonize anything Pagan but not everything Pagan is evil . IMO the JW's do more harm than good in taking this approach.

    As for God punishing the wicked, I don't believe there is a better way to handle wickedness. Do you have one? What will you do congratulate the wicked on doing evil things?
     
  16. Unveiled Artist

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    The second half. If my adult child killed someone else, I would not

    1. Disown them
    2. Punish him (he's an adult)
    3. Teach him a lesson of pain and torture
    4. Tell him that it is not his choice to make amends if that is what he wants to do

    How would I approach the wickedness (as you say)? By....

    5. I will hold him accountable to his actions by telling him how I feel about it and how wrong it is etc but I will not stomp over him and direspect who he as a person based on what he did

    6. There are no rewards for taking a life to save one

    Would I congradulate my son for doing such a horrible thing?

    Of course not! That would just mean I can tell my son 5. and whatever he wants to do with that knowledge I would not hold him accoutable. He is an adult. He suffers the consequences for his actions through his karma. No outside external force or being, like myself, should interfer unless to save others or himself.

    EDIT: Where is the logic in finding good in Just that is not defined by teaching someone what is right but killing others to teach it instead?

    The first half

    I try not to put Christian denominations down. He had a good point and I gave him my hat on it. I just used his point as a backdrop to the question I had of believing the good in something even though its connected to bad things: metaphor, for the good, or not.
     
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    How about an adult like, killed your own son? Do you want to see him punished?

    Moreover, the wicked are never considered as children of God.
     
  18. Unveiled Artist

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    No. Thats barbaric. He suffers the consequence of his actions by law and by his own karma. He alone makes amends to himself and who he hurt (our family). I have no reason to see him punished when, even more so as my child, he is not inheritedly a bad person and NO person regardless should be killed to make retribution to society. Thats just so, wrong.

    Id say they were children of god before they became wicked unless god didnt create them. If I had a son, he will always be my child no matter how wicked he is.

    Unfortunately, god does not see it that way.
     
  19. Rise

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    Your attempted paraphrase hides the actual truth contained in the scripture:

    Genesis 1:26-27
    God: "I created you to be like me".

    Genesis 3:5
    Satan: "You aren't like God. He's lying to you. Rebel against God and only then will you be like Him."
    (Effectively Satan is trying to make man like him, as the one who rebelled against God and was cast down from heaven)

    Genesis 11:4
    Man: "Let's work our way up to Heaven and set our own name up in Heaven as an idol, not acknowledging God."
    (Man is at this point reflecting the desire of Satan to make himself a replacement for God, as believed to be represented in Isaiah 14:12).

    Matthew 5:48
    Jesus: "Be who you where created to be originally, like God, without rebellion towards Him."
     
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  20. Kelly of the Phoenix

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    I would be more amenable to listening if the lie didn't continue to be spread that Satan is in that story. I worship the Truth. Those who don't understand what that is won't get far with me.
     
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