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Fascist views are common and embraced by most people

Spiderman

Veteran Member
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Christians, Muslims, and Jews make up over half the world's population from what I recall, and all of them embrace fascist views or desires.

If you long for an anointed leader who is blessed and inspired by God to outlaw all that God wants to see outlawed, and be God's voice for your nation. You want someone blessed and called by God to lead the nation wisely and prudently, according to Christian, Muslim, Jewish, (or any system of Abrahamic laws + Dogmas), that is a very fascist leader you long for.

Most Fascists don't know they are Fascist. Most people who think Fascism is an ugly word that promotes hate and violence, have no clue what the word means or is.


If you are a Christian, Jew, or Muslim who longs for peace, I'd argue Fascism is more peaceful than our Abrahamic faiths, because there are calls to violence or massacres sanctioned by God in the Bible and Qur'an, and I recall not one such call to violence, with the possible exception of the call to defend Catholicism and religion in general from the attacks of Communists.

Here is some of the first paragraph of the Doctrine of Fascism. It begins as the opening paragraph because of it's importance:

"There can be no conception of the State which is not fundamentally a conception of life: philosophy or intuition, system of ideas evolving within the framework of logic or concentrated in a vision or a faith, but always, at least potentially, an organic conception of the world. Thus many of the practical expressions of Fascism such as party organization, system of education, and discipline can only be understood when considered in relation to its general attitude toward life. A spiritual attitude (3). Fascism sees in the world not only those superficial, material aspects in which man appears as an individual, standing by himself, self-centered, subject to natural law, which instinctively urges him toward a life of selfish momentary pleasure; it sees not only the individual but the nation and the country; individuals and generations bound together by a moral law, with common traditions and a mission which suppressing the instinct for life closed in a brief circle of pleasure, builds up a higher life, founded on duty, a life free from the limitations of time and space, in which the individual, by self-sacrifice, the renunciation of self-interest, by death itself, can achieve that purely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists."

Mussolini was a rare being, for not just was he a strong charismatic speaker, fearless, and a physically strong street-fighter and sword-dueler, but an ingenius writer was he as well, who is not easy for most to understand, so, the first paragraph of the Doctrine of Fascism essentially says, "Don't be selfish, don't be an individualist, let your actions be motivated by what is best for the community and society, practice self-renunciation and forms of sacrifice which are healthy for you and good for society, discover the correct moral law, traditions, and mission by which we are to be bound together, renounce certain pleasures, renounce self-interest...and we shall only achieve perfection when we are purely spiritual beings, which only death can accomplish."

A lot of people who belong to no Abrahamic faith agree with the opening paragraph of the Doctrine and soul of Fascism, therefore, they embrace fascist views, even if such views were promoted before Mussolini was born.


If you believe what the Catholic Church and Pope define infallibly on faith and morals, that is a very fascist quality. If you desire a Kingdom of God, ruled by God, over other forms of government and leadership, you are a fascist.

The goal of Fascism in it's Doctrine was to bind all people together with the traditions, mission, moral code, and faith that they are called to, God is recognized as the one calling them to it, and that is undoubtedly decided by God, which the regime recognized, creating nothing other than a Theocracy, where Christ and his Church were exalted, in an attempt to please God and be inspired by him, to know what measures to take to create Monotheistic Utopia and a spiritual powerhouse of a nation.


Ancient Israel was very Fascist, only Ancient Israel committed countless wars of aggression, genocide, and racism, neither of which Fascism promotes. But Ancient Israel had anointed Kings, called by God to their office, who enforced God's law, only far more strict was ancient Israel than Fascist Italy.

Much of the Doctrine of Fascism is too deep, that the average person would need to read the same paragraph multiple times before knowing what is being said, but throughout the Fascist Doctrine, views are promoted as intrinsically fascist views, that people practice worldwide in every religious tradition or political branch.

For example,
If your Mother tries to keep the family praying together, censores your internet so porn can’t be viewed, takes away many freedoms that could harm you like forbidding the attendance of high-school keggars or hanging out with druggies and stoners, forbidding sex prior to marriage, etc. your mother is behaving like a fascist.
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She is stepping in to remove certain liberties which can cause harm.



This is a religious forum, so I’d like to point out that Fascism is a religious concept,
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and it’s founder declared it to be a Religion,
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and I can prove that Fascism is a more peaceful Religion than any Abrahamic faith.


You might say, “Fascists invaded other nations and had death camps. Fascism isn’t peaceful.” That is like saying, “Christians had crusades, Muslims had Jihads and terrorist organizations, there is your proof that Christianity and Islam aren’t peaceful”.


Atheist regimes committed far more mass-killings in the 20th century than Fascists or any religious group, despite making up a small percent of the world’s population. Does that mean Atheism is violent?


Buddhism, the religion thought to be least associated with violence, and the greatest remedy for peace has a history of “Buddhist adherents” commiting violence https://www.thoughtco.com/short-history-of-violent-buddhism-195794


The failure of Fascists in practice is not a reflection of Fascism, but a reflection of human frailty, ego, and vain ambition.


Fascism arose in a time and place where violence had to be taken to establish order and healthy civilization. Were it not Fascism, some other sort of strong figure resembling a Dictator was needed for Italy to not fall into bloody revolution, greater poverty, greater division, greater demoralization, and total chaos.


For the greatest celebrity of the 20th century for two decades, and the only leader I know of who both took over a modern first-world government without a coup and dismantled Democracy in a cradle of Democracy, replacing it with one’s own government (which became the most powerful form of government in Europe responsible for economic miracles), becoming arguably the most unique and interesting politician in History, Mussolini was actually poor in Spirit, and sometimes was quite humble.


He took what money he needed to survive from his newspaper, and gave the money that a Prime-minister receives, to other causes. He punished fascists for terrorizing his opponents. He had mercy on the two people that shot at him, providing for their families, and when fascists committed atrocities, he would often lament and say, “we will pay dearly for this”.


Rachele Mussolini knew him better than any other person, since the age of seven, and is most reliable. She fought with him often, and was very angry at him, so she doesn’t cover for his faults or scandals, but the winning side writes the history. The people that urinated on him, hung him up by his heels, stoned him, spit on him, decided his corpse wasn’t dead enough and shot it more, howled the most vicious hatred, mockery, and curses at him, were members of the winning side, and some of such haters wrote history. Their hatred was extreme, so I’m sure they dismiss any good qualities Il Duce had, and I’d not for a second doubt that they attribute quotes and behaviors to him that are falsehood.


Were the communists and the socialists who were communists in disguise not destabilizing Italy and many nations, causing wars, and violent persecution of people of all faiths, Fascism would not have been violent, for the violence was primarily motivated by the attempt to destroy the Soviet Union and uproot Communism worldwide. When France was falling to Hitler, Mussolini thought Hitler was going to win the war, and he entered the war on his side, largely because of how anti-communist he was, hoping the two of them could be the force to crush the most evil, Godless, barbaric, and mass-murdering government the planet has ever seen.


To be continued….

Thoughts?
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Some people say that a mark of Fascism is tight immigration policies. I don't recall anything in the Doctrine or anything intrinsically Fascist about such policies, but if so, Scripture is very tight on immigration. Ancient Israel had tighter immigration policies than any nation I know of today, thoroughly discriminating against gentiles, and even in the New Testament God says that nothing unclean shall enter his Kingdom. So, if cracking down on illegal immigration, or harsh immigration laws is a fascist quality, it is also a very Godly quality, according to the Bible.

Jesus doesn't come across to me as fascist as other figures in the Bible, but He spoke of praying for his kingdom to come on earth as it is in Heaven, and Theocracy contains much of what the soul of Fascism is, and what it's aim was. Fascism and Abrahamic Theocracy are so interwoven and one in mind, that I can't see how any Abrahamic Theocracy can separate itself from Fascism. The two are Siamese twins.

Jesus spoke of himself being God, people called him Lord, people accused him of making himself equal to God, and he demanded obedience and worship. Even Mussolini in his narcissism didn't go that far.

The New Testament says,
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities... The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves".


That is precisely how Mussolini and Pope Pius the XI spoke of Fascist regime, Mussolini declared by the Pope to be "Man of God's providence" saying "God has given us Mussolini". Mussolini proceeded to express his approval publically of everything the Pope approved of, and dissoproval of everything the Pope disapproved of, without exception from what I recall, at least before the Berlin-Rome Axis.

Ancient Israel killed people for working on Sabbath and countless other acts that were considered violations of God's law. Such a nation is a severe totalitarian Dictatorship , the most extreme Theocracy I've ever heard of (with the exception of radical Islamic extremists). Therefore, the only recorded government authored, inspired by, and under the authority of God, was a Dictatorship. Since Fascism is an Abrahamic Monotheistic Theocracy, and the first Abrahamic monotheistic Theocracy, was the nation of Israel, the seeds of Fascism (and more than just seeds of it) are first found in Scripture. Fascism first began in our world in God’s nation, with God’s chosen people enforcing God’s law. It was the first Abrahamic Theocracy seeking the government and leadership inspired by God. Mussolini's regime had the same goals as the regime of ancient Israel just was far less strict and harsh.

.If you would like a government where all politicians are inspired by God, his Angels, his Saints, and Spirits allied with God, want God in schools, want God to speak through your nation’s leaders, and want a nation that promotes what pleases God, and outlaws what displeases God, You desire fascism. That was the goal of fascism.



Also, the Doctrine states that the life of a fascist is a spiritual and deeply religious one. So, pardon me for being repetitive at times, but I must defend the word which has become the greatest of political insults.




(As a side note, There is only one exception to Mussolini seeing eye-to-eye with the Pope, that I recall, and that is that the two did not allegedly see eye to eye on whether the government or the Church should have the largest role in education, but Mussolini's promotion of the Pope, his donation of land and money to the Papacy, his exaltation and empowerment of the Papacy, his regime's creation of the independent Vatican City state, and his zeal in being the voice of the Pope to his flock, solved much of that issue, because the regime taught essentially what the Church taught on faith and morals.)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The last word a politician wants as a label is that F word. It isn’t right that such a friend of Christianity should be so despised by the very people she labored for without cease, defending Christian faith and morals in a time where they were under unprecedented attack. Many of the very people who claim to be anti-fascists, Christians, are actually fascists if you get down to what their idea is of an ideal government. If you don’t desire a Fascist government, you don’t desire a government inspired by God full of politicians inspired by God, who institute God’s laws, are mouthpieces for God, and promote God's desires. If you don’t desire Fascist government, I question whether or not you are still Christian, because you don't desire God's Kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven, a desire contained in the Lord's prayer. Jesus said that is how we are supposed to pray, the most important method of prayer, and it includes his Theocracy on earth.

Can Abrahamic Theocracy be separated from Fascism, when Fascism was Abrahamic Theocracy, and the two have exactly the same goals, desire, and mission, namely "God's will" and the enforcement of "God's law"?

Thoughts?

By the way, I don't agree with God's will or his law and I pray every day that he change his mind and lighten up on all kinds of things.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Fascism is opposed to liberalism and I value freedom of the individual too much.

Here I suppose you are saying God is a fascist.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Most people do not support, like, condone, or want a fascist. The God of Abraham may appear one, but today most of his adherents don't even strictly follow or believe their religion and don't accept an iron fisted god. And the spread of liberal democracies has helped bring stability and security around the world.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Again, Matt? I'm starting to think these care facilities you're in should take your phone from you. You said you got sent to a monastery because they could tell you were manic due to you spamming your accounts with this Fascist crap. It might be good for you to take a break from the Internet and focus on your real life and getting it together.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Most people do not support, like, condone, or want a fascist.
That's a reasonable statement.
But still, many such people hold a fascist view about one thing or another.
Restrictive speech codes & approval of torture find homes on either side of the aisle.
 
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Regiomontanus

Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
Again, Matt? I'm starting to think these care facilities you're in should take your phone from you. You said you got sent to a monastery because they could tell you were manic due to you spamming your accounts with this Fascist crap. It might be good for you to take a break from the Internet and focus on your real life and getting it together.


Imagine what he could accomplish if he focused his energy and time on something constructive/useful/meaningful instead of these long rants.

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gnomon

Well-Known Member
The last word a politician wants as a label is that F word. It isn’t right that such a friend of Christianity should be so despised by the very people she labored for without cease, defending Christian faith and morals in a time where they were under unprecedented attack. Many of the very people who claim to be anti-fascists, Christians, are actually fascists if you get down to what their idea is of an ideal government. If you don’t desire a Fascist government, you don’t desire a government inspired by God full of politicians inspired by God, who institute God’s laws, are mouthpieces for God, and promote God's desires. If you don’t desire Fascist government, I question whether or not you are still Christian, because you don't desire God's Kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven, a desire contained in the Lord's prayer. Jesus said that is how we are supposed to pray, the most important method of prayer, and it includes his Theocracy on earth.

Can Abrahamic Theocracy be separated from Fascism, when Fascism was Abrahamic Theocracy, and the two have exactly the same goals, desire, and mission, namely "God's will" and the enforcement of "God's law"?

Thoughts?

By the way, I don't agree with God's will or his law and I pray every day that he change his mind and lighten up on all kinds of things.

I hope you are feeling better.
 
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