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Fascism -- the fourteen elements common to all of them

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Evangelicalhumanist, Jan 21, 2021.

  1. Heyo

    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    The US is leading in military spending. The US military budget is bigger than the next 10 countries combined.
     
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    Fascism is a subset of authoritarianism, as is what was/is practised in "communist" regimes. They share many trades and differ in others.
    E.g. fascism = suppression of unions, communism = use of (state controlled) unions.
     
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    There's something very familiar about all that. :p
     
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    Not for the Lenin-Stalin eras. Labour wasn't repressed, corporate interests were. Was a bastion of progress for women's representation in politics as well.
     
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    Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look. He thinks too much. Such men are dangerous.

    Intellectuals have always been feared by tyrants, or would-be tyrants.
     
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    Valjean Veteran Member
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    The 14 points have been posted in RF several times in the past.
     
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    Some countries tick quite a few boxes here
    Maybe IF they don't tick 14 boxes it's not defined/called fascism
    But still not a country I would like to live in

    I don't care much about labels like fascism, autoritarian
    IF countries tick quite a few boxes THEN I would vote against
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    And all Biden talks about is unions. Writing on the wall what he's planning.
     
  9. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Well, apparently there are other definitions. For example, from Wikipedia:

    "Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, democracy, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum."
     
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    Yet it is a smaller proportion of our gdp then they spend. They spend a lot of their GDP. We spend maybe 3%. It doesn't dominate our country like it does theirs.
     
  11. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Sorry, didn't even realize that.
     
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    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    The "doesn't necessarily refer to" makes it vague.
    So I'll stick to fascism being broader than the OP claims.
     
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    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    That is one way of defining it.
    But not the only one.
     
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    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Women played major political rolls in the USSR?
     
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    People need to be reminded of the symptoms periodically, lest they forget and descend into fascism all unawares.
     
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    The Militarized Budget 2020
    List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia

    So, no, the combined GDP of the next ten military spenders is about double that of the US. Military spending not only grossly dominates the national budget, it is also double of that of the next ten countries in percentage of GDP.
     
  17. Heyo

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    That is a way of defining it so that right-wing authoritarianism doesn't get confused with left-wing authoritarianism.
     
  18. beenherebeforeagain

    beenherebeforeagain Rogue Animist
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    Authoritarianism is Authoritarianism...it is centralized control of the economy and social spheres of society for the benefit of the ruling group or groups. RWA and LWA (and centrist authoritarianism, if there be such a thing) have much more in common with each other than differences between them. The main differences appear to be primarily theoretical and not practical in application.
     
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    Meh...fascists are fascists.
    If words are being manipulated to demonize
    one to the exclusion of the other, my eyes roll.
     
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    I would disagree: free labor groups were repressed, and a state system of sanctioned labor was created. Corporate interests were transferred to the various production ministries and bureaucracies of the government. And while on paper things looked good for women and minorities, in practice they remained second-class citizens.
     
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