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Faithless Electors and the Future of the Electoral College

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by crossfire, Nov 21, 2020.

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  1. The Electoral College will be dismantled

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  2. The Electoral College will be strengthened

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  3. The Electoral College will be weakened

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  4. All hell will break out and there will be anarchy in the streets

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  5. All will be right in the world

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  6. US will unite and embrace fascism

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  7. US will be fractured further

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  8. US will unite and reject fascism

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  1. crossfire

    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    If Trump decides to stage a coup via the faithless electors route, what is the likely future of the Electoral College? Choose two.
     
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  2. ecco

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    He has decided to try that route because all the lawsuits have failed. That's why he invited Michigan's leaders to the White House.

    After the meeting, those same leaders stated they would follow the will of the voters.

    Florida's Republican Governor, Ron DeSantis, has also lobbied several state legislators, including Georgia, to ignore the vote. Like Trump, he failed.

    Your question is interesting but, IMHO, moot.
     
  3. Left Coast

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    Can you clarify what this means? Getting so many Biden electors to switch teams and vote Trump that Trump wins?

    Fat chance.
     
  4. crossfire

    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    Yep. That is exactly what I mean. What would happen if he succeeds in doing that?
     
  5. Left Coast

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    I assume that pigs will fly and @Revoltingest will announce his embrace of socialism.
     
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    Even though it is not likely, imo, I do believe "all hell will break out..." if Trump and the congressional Pubs staged a coup. Thomas Friedman mentioned this a couple of weeks ago, saying "Civil War II" could be substantially worse than the Civil War because of the fact that we have roughly 300,000,000 guns in circulation here.

    The fact that we even are discussing this says a lot about Trump and his base whereas this would even come up for discussion. David Gergen, a Republican who has worked for four presidents, calls Trump a "madman".

    So, since so many in base still support this guy, it doesn't bode well for our future, and what comes to mind is this: "Those whom do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it", and I truly hope that those in Trump's base eventually come to their senses.
     
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  7. crossfire

    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    Actually, I could be happy with either outcome. If Trump wants to be the wooden shoe and toss himself into the gears of the Electoral college system in an act of self-sabotage, I could live with and embrace the collapse of the Electoral College.
     
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    Chaos. Half of those voting for Trump won't accept it.
     
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    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    Well yeah, the increased leverage of their voting power would disappear.
     
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    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    It was bound to happen sooner or later.
     
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    I don't quite follow your intended meaning, however while it may be legal on paper, sabotaging the electoral college is illegal in all other respects, and wordless is any ink that says otherwise.
     
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    I think a full-on civil war isn't going to happen, but Trump's camp certainly have enough unhinged, violent people that a number of attacks on the scale of the Oklahoma City bombing are a real possibility.

    ... and Trump's supporters today generally include the "militia movement" that was so instrumental in the first Oklahoma City bombing. If they were willing to blow up a federal building as a reprisal for Ruby Ridge and Waco, what would they be willing to blow up as a reprisal for having the presidency "stolen" from them?
     
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    SCOTUS has already ruled on faithless electors so the OP question is moot.
     
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    When did that happen?
     
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    Obviously, I spoke too soon. The Michigan GOP and the RNC are now calling for a delay in certification. It seems a night's stay at a Trump hotel was all they needed to change their minds.

    I wonder what Der Donald supplied along with the hotel suites. Very expensive dinners and perhaps companionship for the overnight stay.
     
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    The electoral college gave Trump his first win. He is hoping it will give him a second win. Why do you think he wants to destroy his golden goose? I'd guess he wants it around long enough to have Ivanka installed as president.

    Why get rid of it when he believes he can control it?
     
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    If Trump were to attempt a coup against the will of the American electorates, black lives matter and anti-fascists will crush this coup attempt.
     
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